Maryland bill (HB 1291) would ban vaping in all workplaces, falsely define e-cigs as “electronic smoking devices”, hearing on March 5

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Bill Godshall

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I would not be surprised if E-Cigs will fall under all current tobacco cigarette laws. They must classify them as tobacco cigarettes to tax them like tobacco cigarettes. It appears they may seriously diminish the tobacco market. They could even replace regular cigarettes in 10-20 years. It's all about them money. Tax and spend, borrow, tax some more.
 

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CASAA has now issued TWO separate Calls to Action for Maryland.

The first is for HB 1291 (the subject of this thread): CASAA: Call to Action: Maryland E-Cigarette Usage Ban

The second is for HB 443/SB 589 (an attempt to raise the smokeless tobacco rate to 95% of wholesale price): CASAA: Call to Action: Maryland Wants to Raise the Tax on Smokeless Tobacco from 30% to 95% (I know vapers tend to be less enthusiastic about smokeless tobacco issues that don't directly impact e-cigarettes, but, as noted in our Call to Action, this does affect vapers in that if this is passed, we can expect to see an effort next year to include e-cigarettes as "other tobacco products" and subject them to the same outrageous taxation.)
 

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Maryland is one of the worst States for stuff like this. Always finding new ways to affect people's personal lives and finding new sources of revenue. We even have right turn on red cameras in my country that videos cars not coming to a complete stop so a $40 ticket can be mailed. Not to mention we have more speed cameras than cars in my county.

I'll write my usual piece and send it in but I already know where it is all going. It's hard to stop any legislation in our state when it comes to regs and taxes. Once my kids are finished high school I'm outta here.

I took juice into my own hands and started DIY about 6 months ago. I won't need to buy juice for 5 years. I have a feeling things will be easier then. It's very comforting knowing that MD can't get me THIS time. I recommend anyone willing to give DIY a chance to educate themselves on safety and how to's and give it a go. I'm at the point now where I have a hard time deciding which one of my blends to vape because I like them so much. Took some time and hard work to get there but it's easy street now.

The erosion of personal freedom that goes on year in and year out across our country is beyond disturbing. I will be taking control whenever I can for the rest of my life.
 

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We did very well at yesterday's MD House Cmte hearing in Annapolis opposing HB 1291 (but no e-cig manufacturers, importers or trade associations showed up). Nearly twice as many testifiers opposed the bill as supported it.

The bill's sponsor (Assemblywoman Miller, who is an young Indian woman) started the hearing by spending 20 minutes repeating lots of propaganda demonizing e-cigs (touting Stan Glantz and Prue Talbot as scientific experts), and then about 8 useful idiots followed her with testimony repeating many of the same fear mongering claims about e-cigs.

Interestingly (and I think helpfully for us), the MD Health Dept, ACS, AHA, ALA and CTFK did NOT show up at the hearing, nor the MD medical society (although a doctor from a cancer hospital who knew nothing about e-cigs testified for the bill).

Then came our turn.

Bruce Bareano (longtime MD tobacco industry lobbyist) started off by trashing the bill and the false claims about e-cigs as total nonsense.
Then CASAA's Carl Phillips and I presented the scientific and empirical evidence on e-cigs, and refuted the ANTZ claims.

Ron Ward and 7 or 8 other vape shop owners/workers gave excellent testimony opposing the bill, saying the bill's ban on vaping in vape shops would destroy their businesses, and make it impossible to show smokers/vapers how to use different e-cig products.

About 7 or 8 other vapers also testified against the bill saying how they quit smoking with e-cigs (after none of the FDA approved products worked), and saying the bill would harm and harass vapers, and discourage smokers from switching.

Most of the vendors and vapers who testified also criticized and refuted the fear mongering claims by the ANTZ, which really helped our efforts.

The MD Gas Station/Convenience Store trade association also testified against the bill.

We thoroughly refuted all of the ANTZ claims, and we discredited (or at least created lots of doubt about) many claims made by the sponsor and her ANTZ supporters (especially since the ANTZ didn't get a chance to rebut any of our testimony).

If nothing else, I think we won an exemption for vape shops, and I think we convinced a majority of the committee to NOT legally define e-cigs as "electronic smoking devices" (since they emit no smoke). We need to focus on that argument more opposing bills that would define e-cigs as "smoking" devices, and that would required signs in every building claiming they are "smoking" devices.

But I don't know if we killed the rest of the bill or not. We need more letters, calls and visits to Cmte members to ensure victory.

Many thanks to everyone who went to Annapolis yesterday.
 
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Hmm…vaping in my office with the door closed….come arrest my .... then. Sheesh. These warts on the rearend of humanity are really getting on my nerves.

Still waiting to see how Hawaii does. One small, small positive (OK, so I have eternal optimism) may be that a lifetime politico here voted against the e-cig bills, against raising the age to 21 and against including flavored e-liquid in the ban of flavored tobacco (those two items are gone, hurray). Point is, it just feeeeeels like he's being primed for a governor? mayoral? run. Hopefully he'll speak up at Senate or House level, - provided they can put away the furiously raging and controversial days-old discussion as to whether the ukulele or the steel guitar be declared the state instrument. (The steel guitar being brought to you by the same witch in Maui, Baker who introduced Pfizer's vaping legislation for them).
 

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Here's my prepared testimony, which I presented twice (as the first bill on yesterday's Cmte hearing agenda was a bill that would have banned smoking and e-cig use at all MD State Parks, which several of had also signed up to oppose). While I was halfway through my testimony opposing the vaping ban in parks bill, the Cmte Chair interrupted me to say that e-cig use was being removed from the bill, which prompted me to stop testifying and thank the Chair (followed by Ron Ward and Carl Phillips also thanking the chair instead of testifying).


Testimony to the
Maryland House Committee on Economic Matters
Opposing HB 1291

March 5, 2014

William T Godshall, MPH
Executive Director
Smokefree Pennsylvania
1926 Monongahela Avenue
Pittsburgh, PA 15218
412-351-5880
BillGodshall@verizon.net


I’m Bill Godshall, founder and director of Smokefree Pennsylvania. Since 1990, we’ve advocated policies to ban smoking in workplaces, stop cigarette marketing to youth, increase cigarette tax rates, hold cigarette companies accountable in civil court, and during the past decade, we’ve been informing the public that cigarettes are 100 times more hazardous than smokefree tobacco/nicotine alternatives, including smokeless tobacco, nicotine gums, lozenges, patches, inhalers, and e-cigarettes.

For disclosure, neither Smokefree Pennsylvania nor I have ever received any funding from any tobacco, drug or e-cig company.

In 2009, we urged then FDA Deputy Commissioner Josh Sharfstein to support e-cigs as alternatives for smokers, and we collaborated with two e-cig companies in successfully suing the FDA in federal court for banning e-cigs and seizing their shipments. We’ve also helped convince 28 state legislatures to ban e-cig sales to minors.

Since our goal is to reduce the leading cause of disease and death, we urge this committee to reject HB 1291 because it protects cigarette markets, threatens the health of vapers, discourages smokers from quitting, and deceitfully redefines smokefree e-cigs as “smoking devices” to confuse and scare people.

In sharp contrast to fear mongering propaganda by Obama’s FDA, Big Pharma funded CTFK, ACS, AHA, ALA and other e-cig prohibitionists since 2009,
the scientific and empirical evidence consistently indicates that e-cigarettes are 99% (+/-1%) less hazardous than cigarettes, have helped several million smokers quit or sharply reduce cigarette consumption, and are consumed almost exclusively by smokers and by exsmokers who switched to e-cigs.

Public health benefits every time a smoker uses an e-cig instead of smoking a cigarette.
E-cig have replaced about 1 Billion packs of cigarettes in the US in the past five years, and last year US cigarette consumption plummeted by 4.6% as e-cig sales skyrocketed.

E-cigs are proving more effective for smoking cessation than FDA approved nicotine gums, lozenges, patches and inhalers, which have a 95% failure rate.

E-cigs pose no harm or risks to nonusers. Hundreds of common workplace and household products and activities emit far greater levels of indoor air pollution than an e-cig (including furniture, carpet, paint, printers, copiers, cooking, cleaning products, dry cleaned clothes, hair spray, perfume, and even a cup of coffee), but we don’t ban those things.

Meanwhile, e-cigs have never been found to create daily dependence in any nonsmoker (youth or adult), and have never been found to precede cigarette use by any daily smoker.

While e-cig use among teens doubled from 2011 to 2012, the CDC’s survey and all others found that teen smokers were at least 20 times more likely than teen nonsmokers to report past use of an e-cig, that fewer than 1% of teen nonsmokers reported e-cig experimentation, and that teen smoking declined to record lows.

Regardless, just as we don’t ban adults from using alcohol, coffee or smokeless tobacco because some teens use those products, its absurd to ban e-cig use by adults for that reason.

E-cigs benefit employers and managements since workers don’t waste time on smoke breaks, and customers don’t have to go outside.

Finally, its impossible to enforce vaping bans, as users can eliminate all visible vapor by simply holding their breath for two seconds. Illegal use of e-cigs has skyrocketed in the three states and several dozen municipalities that banned vaping during the past four years, and we’re aware of only one citation issued.

Please reject HB 1291. But if you are going to approve this misguided bill, at least amend the bill to exempt “vape shops” and “enclosed areas where children aren’t permitted”.
 

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Here is my testimony and email response I recieved yesterday. Looks like the BILL FAILED!!!!!! REmdecigbill.jpgREmdecigbill2.jpg
 

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