Methods for Making E-Liquid for Herbal Vaping

[Angelicalist]

I Wrote this Post in another Thread Asking for Advice:

I have a Question.

So I Usually Vape Cannabis Oil, but also I Vape Nicotine Oil, I Usually get juice Heads Vape Oil, and I haven't had a Refillable Vape for a while so I have been Smoking Geek Bars, and I got a subox Once, and I got 2 Different Fogger Vapes before I Started getting the Geek Bars. So I Smoke Normal Vapes is my Point, I even have a Refillable Vape coming in the Mail, and I got 2 100ml Vape Oil to go in it, but I got it for another Reason.

I wanted to make some Imphepho, non-Nicotine, Vape Oil for Ukuphahla Purposes. And the Question I have is Basically just, can anyone Suggest the Best way to do this? Should I do an Extraction First, or should I just Steep the Imphepho in the Oil (I Ordered 4oz of 60/40 VG/PG), should I put the Oil in a Double Boiler and then put the Imphepho in the Oil? I have Everything I need for Every Method, I can Even Distill the Imphepho into a Hydrosol or Essential Oil if I need to, but I don't think that would be the Best way, it could Work though, it just seems like that wouldn't be the Best Consistency to go into a Vape (Viscousness Issues).

I have looked into 1 Herbal Vape, for unrelated Reasons, one Time, and I found this Vape Brand Called Hyla, and they make like L-Dopa Vapes with Mucuna Pruriens and Caffeine (from Guarana or something), and I found that to be Interesting and I have a Bag of Mucuna Pruriens so I was thinking of making some Vape Oil with that also. But, so, I know there are Herbal Non-Nicotine Vapes being made.

I will Figure this out Myself if No One can Help, but I just wanted to see if I could get some Advice on making a Vape Oil for Ukuphahla Purposes.

Basically TL;DR I just am looking for Advice on making Herbal Vapes.

But it seems that not a lot of People have been making Herbal Vape Oil/E-Liquid. Someone suggested that People who make NETs could Answer the Questions I have, and I didn't even know what an NET was before they mentioned it to me, but it seems that here on the Forums there is a whole Section just for that:

Liquid Extraction From Tobacco

Recipe and hardware discussions for those who make flavorings or eliquids from tobacco.

www.e-cigarette-forum.com

And what they seems to be doing is something with PG or VG or VG/PG Mixtures, and something to do with Alcohol. So that kind of Answers my Question, but I want to do some Tests. I have Quite a bit of Herbal Materials, 8oz of Imphepho, 8oz of Yerba Lena Yesca, and about 500g of Mucuna Pruriens Extract Powder, so I can Test some Things out. I have about 4oz of 60/40 VG/PG, which isn't a whole lot, but I can Test out a few Things with it. Plus I have a Still type Device, so I can make Hydrosols and maybe some Essential Oils.

So I am going to See what Happens with:

Steeping Herbs in VG/PG at Room Temp
Steeping Herbs in VG/PG and using a Double Boiler (and I might Try Putting the Herbs and Oil in a Mason Jar and Boiling the Mason Jar)
Steeping Herbs in Water
Steeping Herbs in Alcohol
Making a Water Distillation Product (Hydrosols, etc)
Making an Alcohol Distillation Product (I will also Test out Fractional Distillation with the Water and Alcohol Products)
Rosin Tek (Using a Hair Straightener)

Basically most of it will Involve just making a kind of Tea and Straining the Material Through a Cheese Cloth, French Press, or Coffee Filter. Then the Others will be Distillation and Rosin Tek. I'm just going to Test it all and see how it Works. All of these will Involve Mixing it into VG/PG, but I may have to get more VG/PG to do all of these Tests.

The Main Goal is to Create some Imphepho Oil for Ukuphahla. I am also making Soap and Candles, but the Vape Oil will be another Addition so that I can Completely Immerse myself in Ukuphahla. So Basically this is kind of Religious Endeavor.

If anyone has made Herbal Vape Oil before I would be Interested in Hearing about the Process that You Used. I have seen One Product on the Market from a Company Called Hyla, which is an L-DOPA and Caffeine Vape, so I know that Mucuna Pruriens can be Used, and Really Everything should be able to go into a Vape. I have heard that there are Other Herbal Vapes, I just don't know of any Other Brand Names or Anything like that. The Process should Basically be the same as Making a Cannabis Vape, as that is a kind of Herbal Vape, but most Cannabis Vapes in this Day-in-Age are Distillate Based, but I have Read about Using Rosin to make a Vape as well. So there should be Multiple Routes to Creating a Successful Vape. This is also Similar to Basically like Extracting Terpenes, and then Adding Terpenes to Vape Oil, which is done in Every Cannabis Vape. So a lot of this is already being done in some Form or Fashion, and I am Sure there are Threads somewhere on this Website about this. I just thought I would make this Thread and Document Everything that I am going to do, for the Benefit of Other People who may be Trying this in the Future; and to Start a Discussion where People can Comment about what they have done, so that we can have Information about this in a Thread if there are not already a bunch of Threads about this.

I will Post Pictures as I Document all of this, and if anyone else has Pictures Please Share them.

 

[Angelicalist]

So I have Started the Tests by Mixing 9.21g of Mucuna Pruriens Extract, which is a Fine Powder. I am not sure of the Strength of the Extract as it is not Listed on the Website that I got it from, or on the Bag, but it is One of those Extracts where Everything is put back on the Plant Material.

It has Mixed into the VG/PG very thoroughly using a Wooden Skewer, and I am not sure how Easy it is going to be to get the Solids out, but I am going to Try a Cheese Cloth. I haven't Really found yet on the Forums where anyone has said what they Used to Remove Plant Material from the VG/PG. But I will let this sit for at Least 24 Hours, maybe longer, and I will come back and Share what Happens.

 

[englishmick]

I don't know anything about NET's but I recall some stuff about filtering. The NET folks talked about a variety of filters. There are filters that remove different sizes of particle. The ones that remove the finest particles are expensive and difficult to use. You have to go through several iterations, remove the larger particles first then move on down so you don't clog the finer filters later on.

My guess is that cheese cloth is at the coarse end and only removes the largest particles.

The problem with using natural ingredients to produce vape flavoring is that they might contain dozens or hundreds of different chemicals, most of which aren't related to flavor. Some bad, some harmless. They might also contain oils, which is really bad for your lungs. Places that create natural flavorings for vaping have to deal with all this, Vape flavorings that are made from known flavor chemicals aren't such a problem. A lot of vapers, including me, don't use stuff made with natural ingredients for this reason.

Some stuff that you do want in your mix don't dissolve in VG or PG, which is why many flavorings contain alcohol. When you get those flavorings you would take the top off the bottle for a while to let the alcohol evaporate off.

The people who make this stuff professionally use some serious equipment, especially with natural ingredients like fruits and herbs. They might use solvents that aren't safe for inhalation, then have to run evaporation processes that remove the solvents, etc. And it sounds like you are using ingredients that aren't currently used for vaping anyway so there won't be a lot of knowledge floating around.

I read a lot this techy stuff on ECF from the NET folks a long time ago but I couldn't locate it.

Wish you luck but be careful.

 

[Angelicalist]

I don't know anything about NET's but I recall some stuff about filtering. The NET folks talked about a variety of filters. There are filters that remove different sizes of particle. The ones that remove the finest particles are expensive and difficult to use. You have to go through several iterations, remove the larger particles first then move on down so you don't clog the finer filters later on.

My guess is that cheese cloth is at the coarse end and only removes the largest particles.

The problem with using natural ingredients to produce vape flavoring is that they might contain dozens or hundreds of different chemicals, most of which aren't related to flavor. Some bad, some harmless. They might also contain oils, which is really bad for your lungs. Places that create natural flavorings for vaping have to deal with all this, Vape flavorings that are made from known flavor chemicals aren't such a problem. A lot of vapers, including me, don't use stuff made with natural ingredients for this reason.

Some ingredients that you do want in your mix don't dissolve in VG or PG, which is why many flavorings contain alcohol. When you get those flavorings you would take the top off the bottle for a while to let the alcohol evaporate off.

The people who make this stuff professionally use some serious equipment, especially with natural ingredients like fruits and herbs. They might use solvents that aren't safe for inhalation, then have to run evaporation processes that remove the solvents, etc. And it sounds like you are using ingredients that aren't currently used for vaping anyway so there won't be a lot of knowledge floating around.

I read a lot this techy stuff on ECF from the NET folks a long time ago but I couldn't locate it.

Wish you luck but be careful.

So with the Different Layers of Filtration, I’m looking already into getting some Silkscreens Sheets and getting like a 40 Micron, then maybe an 80 or 100 Micron, then maybe like a 120 Micron. And Filtering it through those.

 

[Izan]