Micromizer also tastes horrible... what gives?

[Krprice84]

So i tried using one of the micromizers i just bought, and it too tastes funky... can't deal with this crap, seriously going to throw the provari thru the window soon...

what gives? these juices taste great on a boge, but i just don' tlike having to refill all the time, and some of my juices (wta ones) seem to kill a boge pretty quickly, like in a day or so, sometimes even a little faster

plus i want something with a little more capacity... i've tried a vision stone, and it tasted HORRIBLE, and noe the micromizer tastes pretty damn bad too... what gives?

also tried the ce3 smokymizer, and it works alright, but has something of a little funny taste, nothing nearly as close to as bad as the other two, but nothing nearly as good as a boge either.... am i just stuck going through boge's on a daily basis? if so i'm going back to analogs, seriously

any time i've tried using a tank with one of the wta juices i've got (tasty vapor brand, btw) they just kill the carto usually before the tank even empties once, maybe twice

wtf? and when i try to clean it out, even using alcohol, the carto is basically just as useless after cleaning as before.. what am i doing wrong? fu(k i'm mad

 

[Krprice84]

any helps?

 

[radiokaos]

So i tried using one of the micromizers i just bought, and it too tastes funky... can't deal with this crap, seriously going to throw the provari thru the window soon...

what gives? these juices taste great on a boge, but i just don' tlike having to refill all the time, and some of my juices (wta ones) seem to kill a boge pretty quickly, like in a day or so, sometimes even a little faster

plus i want something with a little more capacity... i've tried a vision stone, and it tasted HORRIBLE, and noe the micromizer tastes pretty damn bad too... what gives?

also tried the ce3 smokymizer, and it works alright, but has something of a little funny taste, nothing nearly as close to as bad as the other two, but nothing nearly as good as a boge either.... am i just stuck going through boge's on a daily basis? if so i'm going back to analogs, seriously

any time i've tried using a tank with one of the wta juices i've got (tasty vapor brand, btw) they just kill the carto usually before the tank even empties once, maybe twice

wtf? and when i try to clean it out, even using alcohol, the carto is basically just as useless after cleaning as before.. what am i doing wrong? fu(k i'm mad

Just a quick FYI.....your juices are not wta they are a maceration.....which is a soak and pulls all the gunk out with very little nicotine and no trace amounts of whole tobacco alkaloids.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...cco-nicotine-flavor-chemists-perspective.html

Soaking tobacco for nicotine and flavor - A chemists' perspective
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by DVap , 06-27-2010 at 06:37 PM (2607 Views)

Here's a topic I've addressed a number of times in various threads, but I thought I might discuss it here.

What can one expect from soaking tobacco in various solvents (alcohol, PG, VG) to get some real tobacco flavor and/or nicotine?

As far as getting flavor, that's a pretty easy question. If you soak and get a result that you like (either as a liquid in itself or as a flavor additive to regular eliquid) and you don't mind the extra wear and tear on your attys, you've done good. (Assuming you accept that anything that involves soaking tobacco will be less "safe" than good clean regular e-liquid).

As far as getting an appreciable nicotine concentration, soak procedures are self-limiting. What I mean by this is simply that the more tobacco you soak (your nicotine source), the more solvent it's going to take to get nicotine to come out of the tobacco.

Here's a practical example:

You have 1 gram of tobacco. It's likely that this 1 gram of tobacco contains around 20 mg of nicotine. If you use 1 mL of PG to extract it, you could get as much as 20 mg/mL, right?

Wrong.

How much of the nicotine will come out? Maybe 50% if you're feeling generous, probably less. So now we're down from 20 mg/mL to 10 mg/mL. But what's this? When we add 1 mL of PG to 1 gram of tobacco, the tobacco just slurps up the PG.

So we add more PG, say 5 mL total. Now we've got some liquid on top to extract into.. but now we're putting that 10 mg nicotine (tops!) into 5 mL of PG, so we're down to 2 mg/mL and we've still made brown goo.

You see the problem.

 

[Krprice84]

yea, i do see the problem, and i totally understand the chemistry and basics behind it.

i'm not really banking on the TV juice having nicotine in it that comes from the maceration/extraction, i know that they MUST add nicotine to the juice somehow, as they are not extracting hardly any nicotine from it. i do know that the juice tastes great and i love it. what i'm considering/wondering is, is it possible that, while nicotine is only useful in concentrations that wouldn't come out very well in a simple maceration/extraction, but are there other alkaloids that are in tobacco that are possibly active at much lower levels, and that would come out in sufficient amounts to *somewhat* affect the "high" from the vape compared to regular nicotine-only e-juice? i do know that many people suspect that a WTA juice adds something to the effect and seems to "hold" them better than regular juice and seems to help more people not smoke any tobacco at all as compared to people using just regular juice, so why is that? is it just placebo orsomething more?

also, what is the difference between maceration and WTA? is a true WTA liquid extracted differently than soaking, and does it actually extract some amount of the nicotine/other alkaloids from the tobacco, then properly filtered etc and formulated into a juice and the flavour is added/taken from soemthing other than the extraction used to get the alkaloids? this, i know, would allow alkaloids to be extracted and concentrated without affecting the flavor but still allowing for active/useful levels of the nicotine etc to be put into the juice

so, yea, what is the difference?

 

[FsckCigs]

Maceration is a fancy word for "shred and soak", nothing more. It doesn't even refer to any particular desired end result, or to soaking in anything specific, so the term really covers a lot of ground. Sounds nicer than "soaked, though . Extraction of alkaloids is another thing altogether, and although the process can be as simple as maceration, depending on what is being extracted, it can also be an extremely complex operation involving multiple stages of solvents, addition of other substances at any number of stages, distillations/reductions, etc., etc. etc. Nicotine extraction, for example, is a process which is complex enough that it's beyond the capabilities of the average kitchen chemist/hobbyist...takes a bit more than chucking a cigar into some PG and warming it.

I know very little about WTAs, no idea what these alkaloids are or how many are considered desirable, or how they are extracted. But I do know that simple tobacco maceration of the type typically used to make tobacco flavorings for e-juice does not yield much in the way of the WTAs. Hopefully that answers one of your questions. As for the WTA- containing juice, it could be the WTAs themselves which are causing your probs, but it could be something else too, in that specific juice. Even if it is the WTAs in that juice, it doesn't mean that all WTAs or WTA juices will do the same thing...we have no idea which of the WTAs are in that particular juice, the purity level of those WTAs, or how they were isolated...so unfortunately there's no real answer to that question which could be determined from the single (or few) samples in question. Maybe someone who's tried several WTA juices could offer a better perspective as to whether or not they experience similar problems. I'm interested to hear too.

I think that, as they relate to our purposes, WTAs are very much in their infancy, and it will be some time until it's known how best to extract them and implement them in e-liquids.

 

[Briar]

Krprice84, don't feel bad. I've come to the conclusion that tobacco macerated juices from TV just don't work in any clearos. Much as I like them in Boge-types, I gave up on them. They seem to leech stuff from the plastic and taste horrendous. Since I refuse to deal with stuffing, well... There you go.

Very frustrating, but what can you do... You might try the Phiniak glass tank - though you still have to stick a Boge into it, but maybe it won't die as fast in that. I actually managed to make my Boges last about three days with that juice, but maybe I don't vape as much as you do.

 

[Krprice84]

well as an update, what i've been doing thus far is using a regular dct tank setup with the standard smoktek dc 2.5 ohm carto with the prepunched hole in it. i've been using a blend of different juices, using about 24% TV Tobacco, and 19% for each of 4 different gentlemen's reserve tobacco flavored juices. so far it's the best tasting tobacco juice that i've tasted, and i love it. i've found i'm getting about 3-5 days per carto with it, though at the end of the time i can use it, it's basically clogged up to almost being totally plugged. what usually happens is i can feel it getting almost done in the evening of the 3rd or 4th night, then when i wake up in the morning it's basically totally plugged. this is working pretty good thus far.

i still haven't tried my TV Tobacco with clove juice in anything new yet, as i broke my provari and am waiting on a new mini to arrive! (i ran it over with a boom lift at work !! :S)