Mixing WTA and nicotine base - is this safe?

[SouthernBliss]

I've done a fair bit with Capella's and while you do have to go higher than some it isn't all that high. I do honeydew and pomagranite with Capella's that is 12% for the flavor and a drop of lemon and koolada at the tail end. Capella's is a good starter company because so many of the flavors do well stand alone. Capella use to be more expensive but recently they seem to have done a permant price cut. Direct from them it is 3.39 for 13ml (plus shipping). I also have cranberry but have not done a straight mix with it. I'll give it a try tonight at 12% and let you know how that goes. Flavorwest gets a bad rep around here sometimes and one of the things people knock it with is that it takes higher percentages. But by and large it seems most people are happy starting with 12.5% and most don't need to go over that by more than a percent or two. Some flavors yes but I'd absolutely start with the 12.5% and go up rather than trust fate and go high. People seem to love the TPA juicy peach and the suggested percentages for it vary from 5-17%. I would guess that the stand alone is closer to the 17.

Now looking at your goals-
For the blueberry pom with stivia I'd start with a small mix of perhaps 2 ml with just the flavoring at 12% and see how it tastes. If you find it too week then you know to add a couple of more percent. I suspect though it will be fairly close right off.

For the peach raspberry I'd start with 5% peach and 5% raspberry and see which one comes out on top in a small mix. You can alter percentages then to give more of one or the other as needed. I'd also wait to add sweetener till you see if it really lacks it and if so then add a percent or two.

The tea mix is likely the trickiest of your bunch because it will be a fairly complex flavor. I'd start out trying them all initaly in it at about 5% and do a very small mix of that. Put it in warm water soak and let it blend a bit before you try it because of the tea. See what is what with that and then adjust up and down on percentages to get the flavor your looking for. It also may need a drop or two of sweetener. I'm not sure what the sweetness levels will be on the orange of cranberry but I am sure the tea is unsweet.

I don't want this to sound more complex than it is because it won't be once you start in on it. In fact you have some really good and easy options with what your planning to order.

 

[flowerpots]

Thank you so much for your help, SB. I will try these soon and get back to you with the results. Look forward to your cranberry feedback as well. And the honey dew/pom sound good together. I may pick up a honey dew too while I'm at it.

 

[SouthernBliss]

The pom and honeydew are both good stand alone by the way. Oh and be careful to start small with the koolada. It can be a wonderful cooler in low amounts but some people detect a not all together pleasant flavor if to much is used.

 

[flowerpots]

SouthernBliss, can I get your help again? I just noticed after my HDV order that some of the DIY flavors are labeled "flavors" while others say "concentrates" and still others say "extract". Does this make a difference in how much of each type of liquid I will use? I imagine it would - like the concentrates would require less while maybe the flavors would require more. And how about steeping? Does each type require different steeping times?

Thank You for walking me through this I feel so lost at this point lol

 

[SouthernBliss]

I think in this case extract is more the direct flavor extracted from the original what ever. Flavors are often "artificial" which by the way does not mean that they all outside of nature but rather that they are combined by a person from molecules (often taken from nature) to get the final flavor. That can actually be a plus for us because there is less extra stuff in there. All three companies sell concentrated flavors. Just as an example, if you go to the capella site they use for a drink would be about 8 drops in 8 oz of liquid. Now if we were flavoring a drink with vanilla from the grocery we would need two or three times that to get the same flavor.

Steeping.. while there are some factors that you can hope will indicate steep time it just never turns out to be very cut and dried. Fruits and some sweets may not need any steep, darker colors may indicate a longer steep time, more than 2 or 3 flavors may add to steep time or it may not. Tobaccos almost always need time to blend and so on. My guess is that when you use the tea your going to need more steeping and that the all fruity ones will need less. At the very least your going to have a clue how they are going to be from the get go. With the tea though I would be tempted to mix it and walk away without tasting it for at least a couple of days.

I tried the cranberry today and so far I'm not thrilled. It is possible I got an off batch though since I got some tangerine that was not what other people have talked about. I ended up going to 14% with it and it still was not very flavorful. Steeping may change that. I also may need to toss in some sweetener. Another reason I suspect mine is a bad batch is I tested it in water as suggested by capella and it didn't have much flavor at the level they suggest.