Modding forums: why the bans, deletions and infractions...

[cos]

2 days til Christmas and people are kind of grumpy. will i get banned for saying this? geez come on guys cut us some slack. I have always respected the mods in the past but this is nonsense. you wont get nor do you deserve my respect with this. oh and Merry Christmas to all here in the USA and abroad.

 

[kcos]

As was stated in the thread closure, CoOps are a risk. The thread was closed because it is clear that posting is not having any discernible effect. The affected people already know how to contact the founders of the CoOp - so the thread is long dead.

The whole issue of this CoOp is under review and bans might be made but ECF can't force them to check their email and respond. Dead point dead thread.

OK but you do realize you are not hurting Uwe at all by closing the thread but all of us ECF member. Merry Christmas

 

[oldsoldier]

2 days til Christmas and people are kind of grumpy. will i get banned for saying this? geez come on guys cut us some slack. I have always respected the Mods in the past but this is nonsense. you wont get nor do you deserve my respect with this. oh and Merry Christmas to all here in the USA and abroad.

People are grumpy but the fact remains, what you think is nonsense is simply managing a out of control situation. The solution may not be popular to some but it benefits the majority of the members and keeps the integrity of the modding forums intended purpose. So I ask you this: are you part of the problem or part of the solution?

 

[cos]

well i dont want to be part of any problem at all. Just kindly tell me how one of us can open a thread using the title Box Kronos and LV Genisis. we do need a forum open on this so how do we go about it. and yeh im kinda ticked. seems like today for some reason all the forumns are closing. not 3 weeks ago but today. i dont want to talk about part of the problem or solution right now. like i said ive always respected you guys in the past and i understand you have to be strict at times but you know for a fact that a lot of us will lose money on this. and please dont tell me something about co ops are risky. yeh iu know that. but this coop is just being closed at the wrong time. sorry Sarge thats the way i feel. oh yeh Airborne all the way and all that good ...... me too.

 

[cos]

hey Guys so what can we do to get a thread going following all the rules. does anyone know? Maybe Sarge will tell us what we can do. i will feel a lot better if some kind of forum with LV Genisis and Box Kronos is open. thanhkjs for any help from somewhere.

 

[oldsoldier]

@cos: fast and dirty answer-
discussions of the mods belongs in mods discussion.
discussion or working on the mods or modding them/repairing them etc belongs in the modding forums.
The dead coop belongs on uwe's site and inbox.

 

[cos]

i am, done talking. Merry Christmas and Happy holidays to all.

 

[lorderos33]

@cos: fast and dirty answer-
discussions of the mods belongs in mods discussion.
discussion or working on the mods or modding them/repairing them etc belongs in the modding forums.
The dead coop belongs on uwe's site and inbox.

Not looking to stir up anything, but as far as I know, the coop is not dead, merely taking some time to get all the orders out.

Some have gotten theirs, others who ordered with the kronos box are waiting for those to be assembled so their orders could be sent in one package instead of multiples.

Again, this is as far as I have heard anyway, you guys may know more than I do on this and if so, please share.

 

[oldsoldier]

I have a few questions so I can be clear on what's appropriate and what's not as I am a modder who sells mods and am also registered as a supplier.

So from the OP this is clear to me - If I have intentions of selling my mod I post it in the suppliers forum.

This is not so clear...
If I have a mod that I have no intention of selling but want to share a walk though and/or wiring diagram with other modders can I post it in the modders forum?

If I have a mod that I have intentions of selling - I post it in the suppliers forum, but if I also want to share a walk through and/or wiring diagram for this mod with other modders that I do not want to share with my customers in the suppliers forum can I post about this mod in the modders forum?

Mamu, Thanks for dropping by and posing this question. As the rules currently stand you are in a difficult position and I'm going to have to make some clarifications for folks in your position.

I'll talk with Misty a little bit on this one but what I foresee happening is locking of the existing threads in the Modding Forum and linking them to your suppliers threads for support. That way you can continue to support your designs without breaking any rules. I'll get back to you with further clarification and input from Misty's side of the house.

Supplier rules prevent posting of business related matters and any sort of pre-advertising or perceived pre-advertising out side of the suppliers forum(s). So what we'll do here is close (not delete) preexisting posts in the modding forums and point them to your threads in the suppliers forum. ( As was done with this thread. )

You are absolutely free to post any new designs and support them in your advertising threads in the suppliers forum. This solution allows for the threads to remain for historical purposes and gives you the ability to continue to share your designs without running afoul of the rules.

 

[Sacker]

so where can I post in discussion with waiting on the Kronos/GLV? we still need some kind of communications as the USA co-op started on ECF.

 

[Zen~]

All sales should take place in the classifieds and should be addressed in that arena. Any post in here should be related to mods, not sales.

Wow, I sure don't feel good about questioning the ruling of a moderator... But is this above statement actually correct?

By my understanding, nobody is allowed to build mods to sell in the classified section... I believe that modders that wish to sell need to become registered suppliers and cannot sell in the classifieds.

Which is correct? Modders must sell in the classifieds, or modders must register and sell in the suppliers section?

It doesn't matter in my case, I'm already registered, but this could be a great cause of confusion for many.

 

[oldsoldier]

@ Zen~ :
If someone makes a mod or two and decides to dump them on the classifieds its OK. When it becomes a business then it isn't. Its just a matter of proportion. Registered suppliers are currently unable to use the classifieds system, but sometime in the future that may be revisited. No promises or timeline for revisiting the issue but we have been looking really hard at several areas of ECF that can use some updating and upgrading

2012 is going to bring some changes to ECF, The staff is hard at work trying to resolve a lot of little issues that have been bothering users ( we're users , too! ). There is always something to fix or tweak to make better / more useful, and Roly is hard at work in the background.

 

[Zen~]

Thanks for the clarification, though now I'm more confused than before... I was told in PM by a moderator that if I intended to sell even a few, I would need to be registered as a supplier and sell in the suppliers forum..

Additionally, the classified rules state:

"2. Suppliers and Modders may NOT sell any products in the Classifieds section.

3. You may not build mods with the purpose to sell them in the classified section. Building to sell defines you as a supplier and requires you to register as such. Once registered as a Mod Builder(Supplier), you may sell your mods here."

If the rules have changed, as it clearly states they can, then that's fine... But at the moment the rules state that modders may not sell their mods in the classifieds.

I'm all in for whatever the management decides is OK, but a clear and well defined published policy would help immensely! I became a registered supplier, and I'm super happy that I did, but as a supplier I feel this is an area that really needs to be better defined when you get a chance to examine the ramifications of ambiguity...for example... What defines "a mod or two".... Is that one or two a day? A week? A month? Per year?

I was essentially advised that zero would be tolerated, and that's fine... Rules are rules... I will follow them to the letter!

I'm all for cleaning up this mess!

 

[oldsoldier]

Right now there is a major revamp of the classifieds in progress, and clarification of the rules has a major part in it. I'll admit that the rules have become a little murky through time and modification - as the incoming Forum Manager I have a "hit list" of areas I'm working on improving.

This particular rule has been problematic in the short time I have been an administrator here, and I'm sure that j0ker finds it more problematic than I do! The intent of the rule was to prevent modders (or big coop buyers) from setting up shop in the classifieds, not to prevent someone from dumping a boxmod or two that are gathering dust while the modder is making his (or her) new improved "Boxmod MarkIV (with extra bling and gi-joe kung-fu grip)"

As the Forum Manager I will accept responsibility for these ambiguous rules and fix them so they make more sense and are more easily understood and followed. It may take a little time, but in the interim, folks just have to follow the intent of the law and the letter of the law won't hang them up.

 

[Zen~]

I can't ask for more than that.... Thanks for the straight-shooting. It's quite refreshing!

 

[shpaolin]

Rules are rules. Your house , if we want to be here we have to respect them.
I have two question. When i have a mod that is in development,
and i do not know if its going to be for sale. Can i open a topic in modding
or am i limited to suppliers forum?
And restrictions , i do not know if i can post in other people threads and ask questions that are not in any way connected
to selling?

 

[mamu]

Supplier rules prevent posting of business related matters and any sort of pre-advertising or perceived pre-advertising out side of the suppliers forum(s). So what we'll do here is close (not delete) preexisting posts in the modding forums and point them to your threads in the suppliers forum. ( As was done with this thread. )

You are absolutely free to post any new designs and support them in your advertising threads in the suppliers forum. This solution allows for the threads to remain for historical purposes and gives you the ability to continue to share your designs without running afoul of the rules.

Thanks for the clarification. LOL - I def don't envy your job of the revamp.

 

[j0ker]

Thanks for the clarification, though now I'm more confused than before... I was told in PM by a moderator that if I intended to sell even a few, I would need to be registered as a supplier and sell in the suppliers forum..

Additionally, the classified rules state:

"2. Suppliers and Modders may NOT sell any products in the Classifieds section.

3. You may not build mods with the purpose to sell them in the classified section. Building to sell defines you as a supplier and requires you to register as such. Once registered as a Mod Builder(Supplier), you may sell your mods here."

If the rules have changed, as it clearly states they can, then that's fine... But at the moment the rules state that modders may not sell their mods in the classifieds.

I'm all in for whatever the management decides is OK, but a clear and well defined published policy would help immensely! I became a registered supplier, and I'm super happy that I did, but as a supplier I feel this is an area that really needs to be better defined when you get a chance to examine the ramifications of ambiguity...for example... What defines "a mod or two".... Is that one or two a day? A week? A month? Per year?

I was essentially advised that zero would be tolerated, and that's fine... Rules are rules... I will follow them to the letter!

I'm all for cleaning up this mess!

Rule #2 is referring to registered modders, not regular members that make mods.

Rule #3 "You may not build mods with the purpose to sell them in the classified section." In other words, if you are building mods just to sell them in the classifieds, you are violating the rule. Members may build mods, use them, then later decide to sell them and that's ok when it's infrequent. If it's seen as a habit, your history will be investigated and/or watched closely. If a member receives a warning, it's because the history may have been suspicious. It's not that we are accusing the member, it's just reminding them of the rule, just in case.

Rules are rules. Your house , if we want to be here we have to respect them.
I have two question. When i have a mod that is in development,
and i do not know if its going to be for sale. Can i open a topic in modding
or am i limited to suppliers forum?
And restrictions , i do not know if i can post in other people threads and ask questions that are not in any way connected
to selling?

Any and all discussion about selling a mod present or future isn't allowed. Discussion about building, troubleshooting, parts buying, and similar is fine. It's when discussion of producing to sell begins that it's crossing the line.

Simply put, no discussion over the selling of a mod.

 

[Zen~]

Thanks Joker, that helps spell it out.

 

[shpaolin]

Ok , thanks.