Morning Cough.

[TropicalBob]

Kate posted a thread on this that has the latest test results:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/15034-nicotine-absorbtion-vaping-research.html

Form your own conclusion. My experience matched his findings.

 

[RsL]

Kate posted a thread on this that has the latest test results:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...5034-nicotine-absorbtion-vaping-research.html

Form your own conclusion. My experience matched his findings.

Thanks for the link Bob. I read through it. I think the thing that made the most sense to me was a comment I believe you made. "Listen to your body."
I agree because it's apparent that juice which gives me a definite nicotine buzz may not do anything at all to another vapor !

 

[TropicalBob]

Totally agree. And "listen to your body" is the most important message we can make. We're all different, that is for sure.

 

[paladinx]

Yeah you could very well be right bob, I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case, it makes sense. What I was talking about was aimed more towards people who have been smoking for a long time. If the cilia are already smothered in tar from years of smoking, they are not really functioning right anymore altogether. An interesting thing to look up is what happens when you first start to quit smoking the changes your body goes through. One of the things I have read time and again is that the Cilia start to regrow themselves. This is implying that the cilia have been stripped away from smoking.

1 to 9 months
Any smoking related sinus congestion, fatigue or shortness of breath have decreased. Cilia have regrown in your lungs thereby increasing their ability to handle mucus, keep your lungs clean, and reduce infections. Your body's overall energy has increased. I have read this on numerous sites and studies. So if they are regrowing when you quit in 1 to 9 months, its almost like they are not even there or functioning anymore anyway.

And i doubt that snus is going to paralyze the cilia, If nicotine does play a roll im guessing its direct contact,. But thats just my guess.

 

[Doc]

You're not wrong, Paladinx. Tars from smoking do kill off cilia over time, in effect burying the tiny hairs. If a body is allowed to rid itself of tars before permanent damage is done, cilia will regrow and resume their functioning. The first few days off cigarettes are often accompanied by deep coughing, with tar flecks visible in phlegm. It's like self-cleaning of an atomizer, only without blinking lights and heat.

But nicotine is the paralyzer here. Ever take a suck on a really strong cigarette, then suddenly gasp for air? What happened was that nicotine paralyzed muscles at the top of your windpipe, shutting down your ability to breathe. Your body reacts quickly with a gasp for air and a cough to get rid of the paralyzing chemical you just took in.

My remaining question to research: Does this paralyzing effect occur only with inhaled nicotine? Or could NRT, snus, snuff, etc. cause the same effect even though the route of entry is different? We know nicotine is not benign. But just how bad is it when not part of tobacco smoke?

I do not think this is accurate. Nicotine increases the cilia beat frequency.

SpringerLink - Journal Article

 

[TropicalBob]

It's just my conclusion, Paladinx, but I think you're right. It's only CONTACT with nicotine that paralyzes cilia action. As you said, though, it's a guess. And, yep, in veteran smokers, the lung cilia have been paved over with tar.

 

[paladinx]

as you can see this is like everything else. You find some info that says one thing, u find other info that says another. I guess in the end we can determine it for ourselves. How much we cough if we are breathing better etc.

 

[RsL]

I guess in the end we can determine it for ourselves. How much we cough if we are breathing better etc.

That's the way I look at it. I'll let the experts do their tests, although it is interesting for us to discuss certain aspects of nicotine and vaping.

But in the meantime I'm not hacking anymore, I sleep better, and I have had a noticeable energy increase since I stopped smoking and started vaping. That's good enough for me!

 

[Kitabz]

Given the surprising news that nicotine from e-cigs is not absorbed by the lungs anyway (but rather the upper respiratory tract), I guess there is no need to fully inhale the vapour anyway. Since there are also cilla there however it wouldn't fully solve the problem.

An even better idea might be to add sodium bicarbonate solution to the liquid to make it alkaline and then just keep the vapour in your mouth and vape as if it were a tobacco pipe.

 

[TropicalBob]

That is a very good idea. Or chew a Tums tablet to lower mouth acidity.

 

[paladinx]

Hmm would suck for me cause i like the feeling of inhaling into the lungs. but i mean i smoke tons of cigarettes, but if i puff a big cigar, that **** will get me dizzy and lightheaded. and i dont even inhale cigar smoke. I think i get more nicotine from the mouth from cigars then i do inhaling 2 packs a cigs a day.

 

[taz3cat]

Given the surprising news that nicotine from e-cigs is not absorbed by the lungs anyway (but rather the upper respiratory tract), I guess there is no need to fully inhale the vapour anyway. Since there are also cilla there however it wouldn't fully solve the problem.

An even better idea might be to add sodium bicarbonate solution to the liquid to make it alkaline and then just keep the vapour in your mouth and vape as if it were a tobacco pipe.

Since nicotine is a more acid PH, big tobacco adds sodium bicarbonate to analogs and smokeless tobaccos. If you check the ingredients of snus you will find they add something they don't name to raise the PH. Snus also uses something to keep the moisture at the same level, even though it is "dry".

I had a computer crash last week and lost all my links or would post the one on big tobacco. The one on snus is on some of the web sites selling snus, they sort of list the ingredients..

 

[daniel2828]

I cough every morning from smoking for years, that my neighbor told me she don't need alarm clock, she woke up when I cough after shower.

4 days already without cigarettes, still coughing in/after shower. Will it go away later?

Actually, you might start coughing even MORE after you stop smoking, at least for a few days. (Your post is relatively old, so you may have already noticed an improvement). But here's how it works: Your lungs grow used to receiving their daily quotient of smoke and they collect the crap that you inhale throughout the day and trap it. When you stop giving them what they expect (by sleeping), they let lose all the gunk that they've collected so that you start coughing it up in the morning. That's why that first cigarette in the morning will eventually stop you from coughing it all up.

This is hardly the medical explanation of this phenomena, but give it a week or two and you will eventually stop coughing in the morning. I used to wake up with the dry heaves because of the phlegm that would collect in my throat in the mornings and cause my gag reflexes to act up. That continued for a few days (even got worse, in fact) after I started vaping. But it went away eventually.

On a side note, I just recently got over a cold that lasted about five days. For me, normally, a cold lasted up to two weeks when I was a smoker. And I've only been vaping for 17 days. Be patient.

 

[afihigh019]

i've noticed that I cant 'smoke' my ecig like I would an analog. After two or three good vape hits my throat almost seems like it closes up a bit, and I have shortness of breath for a few seconds before it subsides. No lasting effect however, just give it a few minutes and I can go right back on vaping no problem.

My Conclusion: I feel satisfied hitting my vape only once or twice, and that will put me off at least another twenty or so minutes before taking another puff. I end up vaping all day long, but in contrast I don't sit there and hit it twenty to forty times like I would with a regular analog