Most biased article I have ever seen on teens, juul and flavors

[Beamslider]

This article is front page today locally. It is obvious considering how much they are pushing it that it is the editorial board of the paper trying to influence the local election coming up on June 5th that has a ballot initiative on it to uphold a ban on juul and flavored tobacco products.



As Juul vaping surges among teens, health concerns grow

Teens bedazzle and personalize their Juuls, buying colorful and designer “skins” to cover the otherwise electronic-looking devices. They post videos and photos on social media, using juul hashtags and showing how to sneak hits in class or perform vapor tricks, like blowing O’s. They pass a Juul around from one freshman to the next at lunch. At parties, Juuls, which light up after a hit, are spun to form illuminated rainbow circles in the air.

 

[Izan]

This article is front page today locally. It is obvious considering how much they are pushing it that it is the editorial board of the paper trying to influence the local election coming up on June 5th that has a ballot initiative on it to uphold a ban on JUUL and flavored tobacco products.



As Juul vaping surges among teens, health concerns grow

Teens bedazzle and personalize their Juuls, buying colorful and designer “skins” to cover the otherwise electronic-looking devices. They post videos and photos on social media, using Juul hashtags and showing how to sneak hits in class or perform vapor tricks, like blowing O’s. They pass a Juul around from one freshman to the next at lunch. At parties, Juuls, which light up after a hit, are spun to form illuminated rainbow circles in the air.

I love articles like these.
No one ever remembers to mention that the kids are NOT smoking cigarettes.
Isn't THAT a win?

Cheers
I

 

[Letitia]

Wonder if anyone has told the teens that if they quit for 3 days the "addiction" withdrawal symptoms wear off quickly, just like when they quit drinking energy drinks. Teens are wusses nowadays.

 

[Beamslider]

I love articles like these.
No one ever remembers to mention that the kids are NOT smoking cigarettes.
Isn't THAT a win?

Cheers
I

The first comment on the online version kind of says it all in a brief statement

"The only important info in this pro-Prop E propaganda piece is the illustration showing the 50% reduction in teens trying cigarettes. The Royal College of Physicians (England's FDA) showed years ago that e-cigs are 95% less harmful than cigarettes. Kids are gonna try stuff. Which would you rather have your child experiment with? Cigarettes which are proven 100% harmful or e-cigs which are 95% less so?"

 

[Rossum]

Not only is it terribly biased, it's also full of misleading BS:

The company saw a 700 percent sales increase in 2017 and now controls more than half the $1.2 billion e-cigarette/vapor market, according to industry reports.

The total size of the e-cigarette/vapor market is over $5 billion now. Juul only has half the market for cigalike devices, so about 1/8th of the total market.

The FDA, meanwhile, currently doesn’t regulate the electronic cigarette market and doesn’t plan to until 2022

The Deeming Regulation in has been in effect since 2016-08-08.

But they do contain toxic ingredients, said Dr. Mark Rubinstein, UCSF professor of pediatrics.

Really? Besides nicotine, exactly what ingredient is "toxic"?

Rubinstein is also concerned about excessive use by young people, not only because they come in fun flavors like mango and popcorn

Juul doesn't make a popcorn flavor.

Nicotine, an addictive drug, causes the body to release epinephrine

Although this isn't really a lie, I'd like to point out that exercising also causes the body to release epinephrine. So I suppose teens should avoid exercise?

What the media doesn't seem to understand is that articles like this are free advertising for Juul! I really hope they keep writing them so that more teens will use vapes instead of smoking.

 

[Ionori]

What the media doesn't seem to understand is that articles like this are free advertising for Juul! I really hope they keep writing them so that more teens will use vapes instead of smoking.

True, reading about Juul parties made even me want to be a vaping teen.

 

[Rossum]

True, reading about Juul parties made even me want to be a vaping teen.

That wasn't exactly what I meant.

What got me interested in vaping was all was all the exposure that e-cigs got from the media in the second half of 2013. At that point, they were constantly lamenting the fact that the FDA hadn't done anything to regulate the industry at all. If it weren't for that, there's a good chance I'd still be smoking!

 

[ScottP]

True, reading about Juul parties made even me want to be a vaping teen.

NOTHING would make me want to be a teen again. I wouldn't mind being 23 again though.

 

[Opinionated]

That wasn't exactly what I meant.

What got me interested in vaping was all was all the exposure that e-cigs got from the media in the second half of 2013. At that point, they were constantly lamenting the fact that the FDA hadn't done anything to regulate the industry at all. If it weren't for that, there's a good chance I'd still be smoking!

I must have been in the news desert in 2013 because I hadn't heard of ecigarettes on the news at all...

 

[Opinionated]

This article is front page today locally. It is obvious considering how much they are pushing it that it is the editorial board of the paper trying to influence the local election coming up on June 5th that has a ballot initiative on it to uphold a ban on JUUL and flavored tobacco products.



As Juul vaping surges among teens, health concerns grow

Teens bedazzle and personalize their Juuls, buying colorful and designer “skins” to cover the otherwise electronic-looking devices. They post videos and photos on social media, using Juul hashtags and showing how to sneak hits in class or perform vapor tricks, like blowing O’s. They pass a Juul around from one freshman to the next at lunch. At parties, Juuls, which light up after a hit, are spun to form illuminated rainbow circles in the air.

Is there anything legal in SF?

It's a socialist state California, (New York too).. if there isn't strict government controls on something they fight tooth and nail until they get them. It's little wonder there is a push for those controls or for outright illegality if they can't control it the way they want.

The only problem is the propaganda they push on their own citizens is read by everyone else in the nation, even in free states.

 

[Beamslider]

The law they are pushing makes it illegal to sale not to vape so pretty useless anyway.

Besides they never actually enforce any of the laws they pass.

Rental companies dumped electric skate boards all over the place recently. By law you have to have a DL, helmet and ride them on the street in the bike lanes. They are being rented without helmets by people with no DL and ridden on the sidewalk. They don't enforce anything too busy stuffing their pockets with cash.

It is technically illegal to vape or smoke on the sidewalk unless you stop at a curb 25 feet away from a doorway or window. Like that would even be possible. I vape on the street all the time and used to regularly smoke on the street. So does everyone else that smokes or vapes.

 

[Opinionated]

Off topic so i self deleted..

 

[Beamslider]

Courts usually throw those arrests out here. If the law is unenforced, it stops being enforceable. No selected enforcement

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

Awesome.

I'm amazed this graphic made it through editing. It destroys the whole premise of the propaganda.

 

[Rossum]

View attachment 745131 Awesome.

I'm amazed this graphic made it through editing. It destroys the whole premise of the propaganda.

Yes, it clearly shows that that cigarette use is way down.

But the ANTZ will come along and (incorrectly) claim it shows that the use of "tobacco products" has increased. If you simply add up the numbers, this appears to be true. Of course just adding up the numbers ignores the fact that there's almost certainly an overlap between the group that smokes and the group that vapes. It also ignores the fact that a material fraction of those who vape do so without any nicotine, in which case no rational person could call that "using a tobacco product".

 

[Opinionated]

Yes, it clearly shows that that cigarette use is way down.

But the ANTZ will come along and (incorrectly) claim it shows that the use of "tobacco products" has increased. If you simply add up the numbers, this appears to be true. Of course just adding up the numbers ignores the fact that there's almost certainly an overlap between the group that smokes and the group that vapes. It also ignores the fact that a material fraction of those who vape do so without any nicotine, in which case no rational person could call that "using a tobacco product".

That is true.. they are concentrating on the appearance of the +3 without asking if there is overlap, and what that overlap might be ..

Is it an overlap of 3, or 6 on average? We just don't know..

and your right on the presence of nicotine - that's not being asked, although our government doesn't consider the presence of nicotine in electronic cigarettes.. it's all tobacco no matter what from a government standpoint.

 

[Izan]

Yes, it clearly shows that that cigarette use is way down.

But the ANTZ will come along and (incorrectly) claim it shows that the use of "tobacco products" has increased. If you simply add up the numbers, this appears to be true. Of course just adding up the numbers ignores the fact that there's almost certainly an overlap between the group that smokes and the group that vapes. It also ignores the fact that a material fraction of those who vape do so without any nicotine, in which case no rational person could call that "using a tobacco product".

(Insert tongue into cheek)

There you go again with your fancy logic and rational thought!
You know that the NEA outlawed logic and standardized testing proves that rationality is of little use and make folks "dysphoric".



"What are you trying to say, I'm crazy?
When I went to your schools, I went to your churches,
I went to your institutional learning facilities?! So how can you say I'm crazy?" - (link)


Cheers
I

 

[Rossum]

That is true.. they are concentrating on the appearance of the +3 without asking if there is overlap, and what that overlap might be ..

Is it an overlap of 3, or 6 on average? We just don't know..

I would suppose the answer could be found in the raw data that was used to compile the findings that were summarized in that graphic, but for some strange reason, raw tends to be inaccessible to mere mortals like us.

and your right on the presence of nicotine - that's not being asked, although our government doesn't consider the presence of nicotine in electronic cigarettes.. it's all tobacco no matter what from a government standpoint.

And this is downright disingenuous. A vape that has no nicotine and does't taste like tobacco nether walks like a duck nor quacks like a duck.

 

[stols001]

That article is just egregious in so many ways.

Seems to me it might be the same kiddo, who in that earlier, NYT article was "addicted' to juuling and his principal was trying to get him to try NRT, only I guess it didn't work, meaning he didn't try it properly. I'm afraid the "I'm addicted" is just a claim made by teens who don't want to stop, etc.

He seems to be getting some mileage out of his habit.

Glad to see teen smoking is DOWN.

Anna

 

[WorksForMe]

And this is downright disingenuous. A vape that has no nicotine and does't taste like tobacco nether walks like a duck nor quacks like a duck.

Yeah, but it looks like a duck, and stops the real ducks from paying their taxes.