most cost-effective e-liquid?

[darwinvsjesus]

So, I had an incredibly strong craving for RY4, I bought some Hangsen Ry4. It burns so effing fast, it's just not worth it. Whatever reason, it just burns up super fast.

In my experience, the longest lasting juices I've ever had were alien Visions and Vaperite.

But, I'd like to try some new ones. What juices has everyone found are cost effective in the sense that they might be worth the extra money because they seem to 'last longer'??

Oh, and it would be good if they were excellent juices, too. I like tobaccos, but I'm starting to get more into fruit flavors and coffees.

Thanks!

 

[Kopfstimmen]

I have not by any means tried all of the flavors from them, but Blue Mist and mount baker Vapor are incredibly cheap. If you have a discerning palate, you might not find them worth it, but since I don't "get" the gourmet juices, I order a lot from them. I prefer MBV, since I hate the Blue Mist bottles. (Too hard to squeeze.)

 

[shatner]

If you like tobacco I suggest you try Ahlusion's Smooth Criminal and Peachy Criminal. They are both NET or Natural/Extracted Tobacco. Come on over to the "Natural Tobacco" thread right here in this sub-forum.

Also, GoodEJuice's Patriot is very popular. It, too, is a NET.

 

[White Rabbit]

If you are using a tank, I found they burn up e-liquid much faster than just dripping into a carto. Also being cheap myself, I quickly moved to DIY. I order double my nic strength in 100% PG, then mix it in an equal amount with WalMart USP VG at $3.00 for 6 oz (177 ML) to end up with my exact nic level and twice as much base at 50%PG/50%VG. If you like RY4 then I highly recommend The Flavor Apprentice Double RY4 at 10% to 15% with 5% each of Vanilla and Caramel. It has been my all day vape for months now. I also add one or two drops of Juicy Peach and or Orange to give it a mild fruit background taste. Cost per ML is very low.

 

[iceman68]

I prefer MBV, since I hate the Blue Mist bottles. (Too hard to squeeze.)

I've noticed that too! Certain bottles are much easier to squeeze. Like you say, MBV is good, and also ECBlend. I always wondered if others were bothered by this.

 

[shatner]

I've noticed that too! Certain bottles are much easier to squeeze. Like you say, MBV is good, and also ECBlend. I always wondered if others were bothered by this.

Absolutely! I have tons of the softer plastic bottles. When I get crappy hard plastic bottles in an order I re-bottle and label them w/ one of those label makers. Plus the softer plastic bottle allow the liquid to breathe better so they steep more quickly.

 

[theclev13]

MadVapes have great prices... their Mad4 is their own version of RY4 but a little sweeter (to me at least) and they have a lot of other flavors to choose from as well, just food for thought

 

[niczgreat]

Shhhhhhhhh! Don't want to put the Juice Vendors out of Biz, they deserve to make a living.

I Diy and a bottle of 30ml premium 100% VG with Organic Flavors costs me between $3.00 to $4.00 and probably would cost under $3.00 if I used non-organic flavors, don't matter how fast I go through it, price is very low.

 

[sachavaca]

yep DIY is much cheaper. takes a little learning but you wont regret

 

[AngieBaby]

I have not by any means tried all of the flavors from them, but Blue Mist and Mount Baker Vapor are incredibly cheap. If you have a discerning palate, you might not find them worth it, but since I don't "get" the gourmet juices, I order a lot from them. I prefer MBV, since I hate the Blue Mist bottles. (Too hard to squeeze.)

I am so glad you said that about the bottles being hard to squeeze. I thought it was just me being weenie arms lol. You boosted my self-confidence thank you lol.

 

[AngieBaby]

If you are using a tank, I found they burn up e-liquid much faster than just dripping into a carto. Also being cheap myself, I quickly moved to DIY. I order double my nic strength in 100% PG, then mix it in an equal amount with WalMart USP VG at $3.00 for 6 oz (177 ML) to end up with my exact nic level and twice as much base at 50%PG/50%VG. If you like RY4 then I highly recommend The Flavor Apprentice Double RY4 at 10% to 15% with 5% each of Vanilla and Caramel. It has been my all day vape for months now. I also add one or two drops of Juicy Peach and or Orange to give it a mild fruit background taste. Cost per ML is very low.

Oh great Whiterabbit, I am ready for your classes to begin. Lol. You could have gave me the instructions on how to make catnip and I would not know the difference until I couldn't get a throat hit or big cloud of vapor and notice that all the cats in my neighborhood were surrounding my house lol. I am a newbie for sure but now I am going to educate myself on the DIY of ejuice. I will be referencing your instructions when I am ready to start making a go of it. Thank you for taking the time to share.

 

[john333]

My most cost effective liquid is unflavored nicotine. I mix it at 70/30 pg/vg and 12.5% nicotine. A 30ml bottle cost me .91 cents to make. It has a natural sweetness and good TH. It definitely is the nearest thing I have found to a real cigarette. Real cigs just don't have much flavor. I vape it probably 1/3 of the time. I use it when I want a change from what I regularly vape. The other upside is it does not clog a coil. I'm using the same cart now for close to 50 days and its working as well as the day I filled it. It's just a win win situation. You really should try it. Good luck

 

[WattWick]

yep DIY is much cheaper. takes a little learning but you wont regret

Agreed! Especially if you use lower nicotine juices. It's not hard at all if you only use the 1-flavor flavors, either.

There is the lazy way of doing it and still save quite a bit of money. Buy pre-mixed PG/VG bases at ~20% higher nicotine than you vape and get a concentrate for i.e mom&pops RY4. Dump 10ml concentrate into 40ml base liquids, and you're good to go... after a little shaking and steeping.

 

[jdrewry]

Unless you're going through a bottle a day, I would think, compared to the cost of analogs, most juices are "cost effective". One 15ml bottle of juice, if I vape it straight through, would last me about 3-4 days. back when I was smoking analogs, during that same period, I'd go through at least 6 packs of smokes.

Any way I look at it, and just about any vendor I'd order from, would be more "cost effective" compared to the cost of smokes.

 

[NancyB]

Shhhhhhhhh! Don't want to put the Juice Vendors out of Biz, they deserve to make a living.

I Diy and a bottle of 30ml premium 100% VG with Organic Flavors costs me between $3.00 to $4.00 and probably would cost under $3.00 if I used non-organic flavors, don't matter how fast I go through it, price is very low.

I would not want to put anyone out of business either, but, being a retired person and wanting to live longer, I am careful with the funds we've laid aside for this time in our lives.
I'm curious if you have problems with the VG (100%) plugging up the cords in attys or what kind of PV do you use this juice in?
I prefer all VG but haven't found a top clearomizer/tank that can handle it without pluggin up. So, I've been mixing my bought juices up trying first off to fix some that were not up to par with my taste buds - (couldn't throw them out!) but sometimes I mix and vape and mix some more and vape some more - to the point I have no idea what it is I ended up with - that I do like!! haha
So - how did you guys/gals handle this process in the beginning? keeping impeccable notes? lol
When you speak of organic flavors and non-organic flavors - do you mean extracted from natural plants for organic? and synthetic flavors for the non-organic?

 

[darwinvsjesus]

Hey everyone. Thanks for the replies. So, you say things like nova tanks burn up juice faster?
For instance, the Hangsen RY4 (30ml) was gone in a GD week. By contrast, vaperites juices just last forever. You can't get rid of them! (good thing, todd is amazing. Plus, last time I ordered, the donated a portion of the proceeds to the ASPCA! NICE!)

So, something like this.

Now, it's the beginning of summer, and I have this tradition where I order Johnson Creek at the beginning of every summer. I really like their TC and original. I don't know why people knock them. Of course, I only order once a year, so that maybe says something.

You think just dealing with cartos might help make the juice last longer? I use the e-cig alotttttt, so I wind up topping off a lot.

 

[niczgreat]

I would not want to put anyone out of business either, but, being a retired person and wanting to live longer, I am careful with the funds we've laid aside for this time in our lives.
I'm curious if you have problems with the VG (100%) plugging up the cords in attys or what kind of PV do you use this juice in?
I prefer all VG but haven't found a top clearomizer/tank that can handle it without pluggin up. So, I've been mixing my bought juices up trying first off to fix some that were not up to par with my taste buds - (couldn't throw them out!) but sometimes I mix and vape and mix some more and vape some more - to the point I have no idea what it is I ended up with - that I do like!! haha
So - how did you guys/gals handle this process in the beginning? keeping impeccable notes? lol
When you speak of organic flavors and non-organic flavors - do you mean extracted from natural plants for organic? and synthetic flavors for the non-organic?

The secret to not pluggin up is to add a little water and/or Alcohol and thin it to the consistency of a PG Juice.

You are spot on for the flavors, if not organic than it's generally synthetic chemicals. If it's organic than it's extracted naturally.

No impeccable notes it's pretty darned easy.
I can whip up a bottle in 10 minutes or under.

Trick is make it in the same size bottle all the time.
I use 1 Oz or 30 ml Bottle

1. Add 10% to 20% Flavorings. [Berry is much stronger]
So for a 30 ml bottle you'll add 5-6 ml of flavoring. you can play with it.
2. Add your Nicotine Base. I recommend 100mg because the mathematics are the easiest. . Each Ml you add to a 30ml bottle is 3.33mg of nicotine [Formula 100mg/30=3.33mg
You can pretty much do it in your head. If you want 10mg than you put in 3ml of 100mg liquid [3.33*3=9.99mg)
3. Fill to 7/8 of the top with VG or VG Pg depending on your preference. Leave a little room at the top. That way you can tweak it.
If not strong enough add extra flavor. Too Thick add some water etc.

This is not rocket science.

One final tip: I've found that when combining flavors it's best to have a top note. So if you are using 5ml of flavors, make 3 1/2 to 4 ml of your top Note. Than mix in another mg or so of the different flavors. That way they don't fight each other.

 

[WattWick]

There's an interesting article on organic vs synthetic flavoring. Keep in mind its written by Flavorart, so it's easy to shoot the messenger. Read and make your own opinion. I'm fairly convinced there's no real difference.

Natural vs synthetic flavors

"(Nature has no restrictions on using toxic chemicals, whereas the flavorist does.)"

 

[stormwench]

Actually I prefer the harder plastic bottle over the softer but that's not exactly what the OP started the thread out as (unless the softer ones lead to more spilling and that's why its used up so fast).

I find that vapingxtreme and mount baker have the low cost juice with the flavor and quality I want which keeps my costs down when I buy juice instead of DYI.

The OP mentioned 'long lasting' juices. I don't believe that one brand actually lasts longer then another - any more then two different analogs lasted longer (as long as they were the same size). I can see how one is vaping and the PV and accessories they use to vape with make a difference in how fast the juice 'burns up'. White Rabbit mentioned dripping in a cartomizer vs a tank; just having to stop to refill so often certainly is going to slow down vaping. Leakage and spilling, especially if you don't notice it much but its there will also 'burn it' up faster. At least with a cartomizer or just dripping on the atomizer there is not as much to lose as when a tank leaks or spills.

I have read a few places where people have noticed automatics tend to use juice up faster and that was because, they believed, the could did not always turn off as soon as the inhale stopped for the atomizer continued to vaporize for a short time after. Also, if you vape more seconds on a inhale and get that coil pretty hot its going to continue vaping anything that drips on it even if your not inhaling. Sometime you will even see vapor drift out of the tip after you set the PV down (or move away from your moth) because the atomizer is still warn enough to atomize even with your finger off the button. And, of course, the more you vape the more you are going to use, and its not hard since you have more freedom about where you vape to find that you now use more then you did,

So, there probably is not a brand out there that's going to be 'longer lasting' so you have little left but actual cost of the e-juice to control what you spend. Switching to vaping just to save money doesn't always work out that way -at least in the beginning while you decide on the PV right for you (and there aren't testers out there so you have to buy and try) as well as your cost of juice.

What confuses me is that price does not equal quality and taste. Taste is pretty subjective so a brand or maker one vaper likes could be on the bottom of the list of good flavor for another. So, you faced with having to find a cheaply priced juice that does not taste like a cheap juice. Aside from taste, where everyone can be different, you have quality, and that can differ but not in relationship to price a lot of times either. It makes me question what makes a juice as expensive as some others when the ingredients are the same. Of course you have to consider overhead and the cost of ingredients - sure if someone is paying a lot for their ingredient the finally product is going to cost more but the cost of ingredients seem to be pretty consistent.

Why are some shops operating a hand made business charging half what a big brand name that machine packages gallons a day when it would seem it should be the other way around.

Then there is the flip side - big brands that charge lower prices and hand made shops that charge a lot more.

Its very confusing.

Buying juice in large quantities - getting 30 ml instead of 15 ml can help offset the price. 30 mgs is not going to slow you down but if you can find a good tasting low cost juice if you buy more you usually find that 30 ml is cheaper then 2 15 ml would be so its saves a bit.

Then there is just DIY. You can really save quite a lot when you buy in larger quantities. When you first give DIY a try - it might not seem like there is much saving if you buy the smallest of everything to see if its something you can do and the relative cost works out for how much you make to be about the same if you were spending a lot on your juices. If DIY is something for you, then you buy in quantities (bulk so to speak) and your cost per ml radically drops.

 

[darwinvsjesus]

I ordered from mt baker. I am extremely impressed with shipping speed. I mean, the order was shipped two hours after I placed it.

So, the answers to my question appear to be

1. cost effective retailer, like MBV
2. Tanks can leak a lot more juice than cartos

so I also ordered a bridgeless atomizer and a bunch of cartos. I'm really excited for MBV.