My first go at mixing...Mothers Milk Clone...Lets start with a question

[Mone415]

I agree how do they justify selling there juice for that much? Cause it's in a glass bottle with a fancy label 4k for a 100 30ml bottles that costed them probably 100$ to make eliquid and vaping as a whole is probably one of the biggest scams going right now everyone wants the newest rda or mod when they all do pretty much the same thing boil your juice despite knowing this I still buy mods and rdas so I guess I'm guilty as charged

I refuse 2 buy rdas over 40 bukks. I'm good with quality clones. but as the great Lil Wayne once said "it ain't trikkin if u got it" lol . I on the other hand do not agree with that statement. U guys really wanna laugh chekk this out.

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=271550662642&alt=web

People payin 10 times the amount of actual value. Crazy.

 

[Mike Literus]

I know people who buy authentics and hate on people who buy clones are just silly all they have to say is you get what you pay for what a joke my vape tech Pegasus out performs the og and my manhattan has lower voltage drop than the og and guess what it was 40$ not 270$ lol people are so gullible they will buy anything now a days put food coloring in water and call it juice lmao

 

[glowplug]

I have clones that have been reviewed as better than the authentic. I don't like logos on clones...that is just not right! I have yet to remove the logos on my drippers etc. cause I don't want to mess them up. I need to think about some ways to get them off and keep the item looking good.

Anyway, thanks to everyone that has posted here. I saved most of the recipes and some of the comments. I have never vaped SB's MM but have heard so much about it. I am NOT paying their price. I buy most of my juice from Nicoticket. It is excellent, complex and the price is quite reasonable. Not trying to hype them up, just my observation. MM is on my list to try to DIY. Soon. I have all the flavorings for it.

I have learned a bunch here. I appreciate all your knowledge and expertise.

 

[Mone415]

I think I've jus been so caught up with this super sub ohm cloud chasin crap that I forgot that I fell in love with this stuff for the taste. These .2 builds and lower aren't really helpin me in this department. I need 2 re-coil an re-wikk all my rdas and get em bakk up 2 where I really loved these juices which was .3-.5. I think iss also screwin up my DIY as well. Or maybe I'm jus feelin OCDish an want somethin tuh do all day tuhmorrow. Lol. But tuhday wasn't uh good day for juice creations. I don't kno how ima substitute anything in VC 1s place. Gelato, swirl, bean ice cream ain't cuttin it for me. Drunk rant over. [emoji111]

 

[Mike Literus]

There is no substitue for cap vc v1 gelato tastes kinda like vc v2 they all have that one replacment custard not bucytryl or whatever lol I forget what its called and yeah I get logo less clones when I can only one I could find so far is my manhattan and I know what you mean I would sand them off but then it would just have a bunch of scratches lol

 

[lasttango]

Very little discussion in this thread about PG/VG and nic... I heavily invested and gave up on DIY 3 times before a long time VET here suggested that I invest in some higher quality nic and vg...

So, I tried a 4th time... and now I like DIY.... I pay more for the higher quality ingredients, but I actually vape what I make now, so it still saves money.

I have vaped a couple bottles of mother's milk... and I do not find it complex... that doesn't mean that I think the recipe is easy... but I do think the quality of bases that you use can drastically change the flavor...

 

[Crunktanium]

MM is mass production and most high end use WL or VZ nic from what i gather.

 

[Mone415]

MM is mass production and most high end use WL or VZ nic from what i gather.

Which 1 is VZ nic? Or did u mean VT nic? I'm runnin outtuh VG an need some badly and I wanna try high quality nic an c how it compares to this stuff I got from eciggx and vapor shots.

 

[Mike Literus]

I use wizard labs nic and wizard labs vg and pg I've also tried other pg and vg I really can't tell the difference at all i vape my recipes at 0mg before adding any nic to it I don't think the base really has anything to do with it seeing as pg is flavorless and vg is slightly sweet I think it's the flavoring she uses is just high quality I'm assuming some of it is organic naturally extracted with ethyl alcohol kinda like Virgin capes not sure but that's what I'm guessing

 

[Crunktanium]

Which 1 is VZ nic? Or did u mean VT nic? I'm runnin outtuh VG an need some badly and I wanna try high quality nic an c how it compares to this stuff I got from eciggx and vapor shots.

Many vendors use VZ (Vaping Zone) it's not cheap but they do wholesale and are always stocked. One of the biggest local juice guys is using it as are some Totally Wicked (even some TW pushers won't use TW nic lol) resellers. It's one thing to read posts by people that say nic X is the best thing since sliced bread. We all have our likes and dislikes but the few posts here and there are nothing in contrast to the millions of dollars in juice being sold every month. I have never met anyone who vaped and was not into DIY who even cared what nic they were vaping.

I don't want to knock anyone in saying this but there is so much bait and switch now days. I just have a hard time trusting anyone knowing could would swap out the good stuff to get rave reviews and ship me Alchem or some really old stuff instead. The only nic I trust is WL and only because I have met everyone working there, had a tour of the lab and spent many afternoons chatting with John. I also trust Vaping Zone but the price is about the same and it's just as peppery as WL. I only trust them slightly less then WL because a successful vendor I know personally uses them and I bought lots of his juice prior to getting into DIY.

Decided to skip all these fire sales myself I just don't feel comfortable with all the mixed signals. I would try VT if I were only mixing for myself to save money. Would never buy from ECX though I just don't feel comfortable with the mixed reviews about them. About the only nic I would buy at this point is VT, WL or VZ. I really wanted to try Heartland but savings is pointless if there is a chance of having to dump it. Might try them down the road after the big sales are over. I just get the feeling some vendors are clearing out the old right now to make way for the new.

 

[sparkky1]

Is there really such a thing as higher quality VG, for better mixing flavors / tasting ?
I went from WL to VZ and I cant really say I'm reaping the rewards of the higher price can you ?
So next were going to have higher quality osmosis distilled water ?

 

[Mike Literus]

Idk about vg all tastes the same to me little sweet but pretty flavorless overall

 

[Crunktanium]

So next were going to have higher quality osmosis distilled water ?

Well if you start with super high purity water like Bling I bet you could distill this stuff and ...... would easily pay $80 a liter.

Aqua Maestro

 

[Heabob]

Is there really such a thing as higher quality VG, for better mixing flavors / tasting ?
I went from WL to VZ and I cant really say I'm reaping the rewards of the higher price can you ?
So next were going to have higher quality osmosis distilled water ?

This one is made from non-GMO coconuts: 100% Pure USP Vegetable Glycerin: Food Grade VG Liquid | Buy Vegetable Glycerin

Just got some but I haven't tried it yet, must finish up my older stuff first.

 

[sparkky1]

That's kinda funny, I was buying my usual 100% all natural lump charcoal to grill with and right beside it was 100% all natural coconut charcoal, ya so sorry to get so off topic but would be very curious to know if that stuff has no smell or taste, I definitely would vape that straight first.

So mike are you looking at the big dripper RDTA ?

 

[Mike Literus]

The big dripper looks nice but 120$ for a rda seems like way to much I could never spend more than 60$ on a dripper and more than 80$ on a mod I just got a mutationx been messing around with that and the infinite clt also been trying to do a forced patina

 

[Mike Literus]

On another topic I just tried fa fresh cream tfa dairy tfa sweet cream back to back after they've all steeped for close to a month and there all the practical the Same dairy is just a weaker version of sweet cream and sweet cream just not as concentrated as fresh cream also tried tfa and fw custard there both really sweet with minimal custard notes fw custard has a spice to it and it's clear is it possible that she's using fw custard in mm not cap?

 

[Snipe]

I've never really gotten much from Sweet Cream or Fresh Cream. They just don't seem to add much. That said, I've been messing with Cosmic Fog's Milk n Honey, and it's pretty interesting. I actually don't taste much honey. It's much more a weaker version of Suicide's Derailed - a milky, sweet, banana nut bread. Derailed is interesting, but too potent. Milk n Honey is a more mild, vapable version.

 

[sparkky1]

You might be on to something mike and why the milk has different flavors early on and different as time goes on ? because the custard notes take so long to develop.
Not many vendors doing long steeps before distribution and that's at least 30 days on that flavor.

 

[Mike Literus]

Yeah I think so I'm pretty sure fresh cream or sweet cream is what they use in cereal vapes at a low percentage for the milk taste I still haven't tried m&h or um with all these cheap authentics and nice clones coming out I haven't been buying much juice lately also because I just got a lot of flavors and bottles in cap vc v1 has been having a real chemical taste to it lately idk maybe it's just me