My latest flaves review...

[Karl the heretiK]

And let these be lessons to you all... some things to consider when you order from Geoff...

1- Too much VG can be too much! I ordered the Atomic Cinnacide (hey, I can call it what I want right now, can't I?) in PG/VG 65/35... which in this instance and flavor, wasn't the smartest thing... the taste is thinner than the sample ClumsyG sent me, so I'm guessing an 80/20 mix may've been a better choice... that's okay... Geoff makes Doublers... I'll order them in full PG, mix, and all will be well... This stuff is absolutely delish...

2- When a main vape is/isn't a main vape... I ordered Cappucino/Caramel/Vanilla (Cappucino CaraVan)... never really expected this to be a main vape, because custom juice combo's can be tricky at times... but wow! Good crap! It's mild and complex... but it has just enough of that cappucino, high-mouthed bite to it to remind you who this combo is built on!

...just some advice from an old heretiK concerning the importance of taste over clouds... and how to not pre-judge any juice...

Ciao, babies!

Karl the heretiK

 

[just-cass]

hi karl,

i ordered the butterfinger doubler in 100%vg...didnt know bout the flavor diminishing....does this mean im gonna have a tasteless ....'finger(couldnt help it!!!)

 

[paso]

I have been thinking that if I ordered 100% pg and add my own vg I will get like 30 to 40 percent more juice. What do you all think???

 

[lostdaze]

vg = no flavor?

I dont get it what kinda review is this?

Ive always ordered my tv liquids with the most allowed vg, does that mean they wont have much flavor as oppossed to all pg and no vapor.

I always thought the pg produced more th and vg produced more vapor.

Ive never heard that the flavor is affected, now I feel all my liquids are flavorless.

 

[just-cass]

vg = no flavor?

I dont get it what kinda review is this?

Ive always ordered my tv liquids with the most allowed vg, does that mean they wont have much flavor as oppossed to all pg and no vapor.

I always thought the pg produced more th and vg produced more vapor.

Ive never heard that the flavor is affected, now I feel all my liquids are flavorless.

me too lostdaze...your name springs to mind when i ponder this problem

 

[Mighty Cowphin]

I only vape VG and I have no problems .... dunno bout anybody else... but I can't stand PG

 

[lostdaze]

IDK but I definetly taste flavor in my tv liquids and they are my favorites.

I am curious now tho as to if all pg has more flavor than a pg vg mix or all vg.

Maybe someone can clear this up for us, I thought vg was for less th and pg for more th, never knew it affected flavor.

 

[paso]

The way I understand it is that the flavors are mixed in pg and then the vg is added for vapor. So the more vg the less flavor and the more vapor.

 

[jebey29]

I have always ordered my TV juices with 10%VG and my last order i experimented and changed it to 20%VG. I can say without a doubt that the increased VG made a huge difference in Taste. They are still good but tamer. Lesson learned for me. I will go back to my 10%VG Mix.

 

[thughe1]

I was wondering the same thing but my ATF is 35% VG and still is quite strong. Can't imagine my PG but can't wait to try.

 

[lostdaze]

Thanks guys,

I wasnt aware of this and unfortunately I just placed a large order of liquid.
I am set for a couple of months but when ordering again I will keep this in mind more pg = more flavor

 

[Karl the heretiK]

hi karl,

i ordered the butterfinger doubler in 100%vg...didnt know bout the flavor diminishing....does this mean im gonna have a tasteless ....'finger(couldnt help it!!!)

Oh hex no, cass... if it were tasteless it wouldn't be coming from Tasty Vapor... besides, since it's a doubler, there may be different mixing rules because nic levels are out of the mixing equation... I dunno... the best person to ask is Mr TV, of course...

See, if you look at the bottom of each of the nic'ed flaves, you see this note about VG:

"REGARDING VG:

Along with the PG/nicotine base and flavorings, only certain percentages of the bottle is left for adding VG. The following percentages will give you an idea of what VG can be added:
At 48mg - 10% VG, 36mg - 20%, 24mg - 35% and at 12mg - 50% is available for adding VG. You can check a percentage of VG you'd like added, but if this conflicts with what CAN be added, we will simply add what we can."

See how the higher nic levels run diametrically-opposed to the amount of VG you can add? I'm not sure, but I think this is a ratio he might feel comfortable mixing without too much flave loss... but again, notice how this statement isn't on his doubler pages...

I hope he checks this thread out cuz I'm just trying to follow some logic, that's all... and while I'm certainly not a Mixer Master... or even a veteran vaper, I AM a thinking man...

And TBH, cass... his highest VG/PG ratio listed on the doublers is 70/30... I don't know what 100% will taste like, but it should be fine to cut your nic levels if you're using it with the same-flave nic'd juice... it'll certainly give you nice clouds without thinning your original flave, I'm sure...

 

[Cielo]

Some flavors like atomic fireball separate when mixed with too much VG, in fact the AFB doubler is not even available in 100% vg. My AFB doubler with 50% vg has the same strength of flavor as my nic 10% vg AFB, just less of a TH.

I dont think Geoff skimps on the flavor but is careful with the vg so the juice remains the correct thickness and consistency so it wont gunk up our attys/cartz.

 

[Mr. Tasty Vapor]

The way I understand it is that the flavors are mixed in pg and then the vg is added for vapor. So the more vg the less flavor and the more vapor.

No. The end result is always 1 ounce, regardless of the mix of PG or VG. The amount of flavoring used, is enough for flavoring the end product.

The base we use to give you nicotine is pure nicotine diluted in PG to 90mg per ML. So, the more nicotine you require, the less room we have to add VG.

Nicotine base is added, then the necessary flavorings, additives, then whatever room is left in the bottle is room for the "finishing" VG or PG depending on the order.

However it's mixed, the flavoring added is always enough to flavor that 1 ounce of liquid.

If YOU add straight VG or PG to that "final" mix, since those are flavorless, you'd be diluting the flavor.

I hope that clears some confusion up.

And thanks Karl, logic rules supreme.

 

[lostdaze]

So the same amount of flavor is in every bottle regardless of amount of vg.
It is only diluted if you add pg or vg to it yourself.

pg gives more of a th maybe giving the illusion it tastes stronger, this is just a guess on my part why it seems stronger tasting with less vg.
I will be experimenting with this on my next order by using the least amount of vg.

@ Mighty Cowphin, have you tried TV's liquids? I used to hate pg too until I tried TV's liquids and now they are my favorite I dont like that dekang stuff, cant vape it at all.
I suggest you give them a try if you havent, you may be quite surprised.

 

[GoodDog]

The other night I vaped some dekang sh** and it left a nasty film inside my mouth that Tasty Vapor doesn't. His juice leaves my mouth clean and tasting good!

 

[just-cass]

thanks karl and mr T for clearing some things up...i guess my only question now is that even though theres flavorings(obviously) in my doubler will the fact that its suspended in VG rather than PG have implications on its taste?eg. does pg allow the flavor to shine through and the vg mask the flavor a bit?thats really what i was wondering?

 

[mcl5000]

PG/VG does not alter flavor. As Geoff said, he always puts in enough flavoring to flavor that 1 oz. adequately. I don't notice any difference what-so-ever in flavor between 100% PG juice, 35% VG juice, or 100% VG juice.

Throat hit and vapor are a completely different animal.

Nicotine amount WILL alter flavor to some extent - if you want to vape a 48mg juice straight, be prepared to have it taste like ....


Geoff, sorry if you disagree with any of this. Just trying to help out. Feel free to delete if I'm incorrect in any of this.

 

[Mr. Tasty Vapor]

No MCL, I think you adequately swatted the chimp with a trout there. Good job.