Need Battery Suggestions...

[81EMT]

So, I have been vaping a long while now, but there are still a few places I am particularly lacking in information, most notably batteries. My devices, and available batteries, have changed over the 4+ years I have been vaping so I have found it somewhat hard to keep up with what is good for what I am currently running, so I am turning to you all for suggestions.

I am currently running a 252 parallel box mod that was a gift from the fine folks at, you guessed it, 252. I have a MutationX V4 atty with dual 22g 5wrap (kanthal A-1) coils. Now, I am not sure what this ohms out to anymore, since I have always just remade the same coils over the last 2 or so years lol. I am needing new batteries as my supply of good ones are starting to dwindle to the point of inconvenience. I have looked at the standard Samsung 25R's (which if I am not mistaken are 20a batteries) as an option, but someone had told me once that for mechanical mods, it's better to use 25a batteries. I am just not really sure what best suits my device, and I want to be safe with what I get... oddly enough, I am not fond of the idea of a battery venting while I am holding my device.

I appreciate any and all input, as long as it's constructive. Thank you all in advance.

 

[celticluvr]

Well here is Mooch's Chart. But I would recommend the Sony VTC5A's. I will let others explain why because they can give you the technical mumbo Jumbo on it. I'm not good at explaining this stuff.

 

[Wheelin247]

So, I have been vaping a long while now, but there are still a few places I am particularly lacking in information, most notably batteries. My devices, and available batteries, have changed over the 4+ years I have been vaping so I have found it somewhat hard to keep up with what is good for what I am currently running, so I am turning to you all for suggestions.

I am currently running a 252 parallel box mod that was a gift from the fine folks at, you guessed it, 252. I have a MutationX V4 atty with dual 22g 5wrap (kanthal A-1) coils. Now, I am not sure what this ohms out to anymore, since I have always just remade the same coils over the last 2 or so years lol. I am needing new batteries as my supply of good ones are starting to dwindle to the point of inconvenience. I have looked at the standard Samsung 25R's (which if I am not mistaken are 20a batteries) as an option, but someone had told me once that for mechanical mods, it's better to use 25a batteries. I am just not really sure what best suits my device, and I want to be safe with what I get... oddly enough, I am not fond of the idea of a battery venting while I am holding my device.

I appreciate any and all input, as long as it's constructive. Thank you all in advance.

The more amps your battery can handle the lower resistance you will be able to build. Running a mech you NEED to have an ohm meter for 1. 2 you NEED to know ohms law. I'm attaching a pic of a notecard with a couple ways to figure ohms law if your not familiar with it. With this knowledge and the ohm meter you will be able to build SAFELY to your batteries. The thing with mechs is you can run any battery and any resistance build but you can't run it safely unless you build the amp draw of the coil to the amp available of your battery. If your coils are drawing more amps from your battery than your battery has to give you will have a BIG problem and probably be on the 6:00 news letting everybody you blew your hand and half your face off if not worse.

Use a coil building website (a lot of people use steam engine) or a coil building app (I have a good one that is really accurate (f you would like to know just ask and I'll send you a pic of what the app looks like. I'm using iOS but they should have it for droids too). Once you have that and calculate ohms law you can then safely build the coil to whatever battery you plan on getting or using. Samsung Q-30's are a good battery. If you want a hard hitting battery the LG HB6. I use Liion Wholesale to get my batteries. They are a reputable supplier and have genuine batteries. Plus they are probably the cheapest around for authentic batteries.

Once you have your battery and know the amp draw it can handle, build your coil to suit the battery amp draw (if it's a 25 amp limit, don't build to 25 amps. Leave a little room to spare in case of a problem that may occur) and check the resistance on an ohm meter to make sure your within the limit you battery can handle then vape on my friend.

Hope this helps you to gain info and knowledge so you can build and vape safely.

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[81EMT]

I will admit, that having an ohm meter is high on my priority list, but all things being equal, an understanding of ohms law, and building the same coils that I checked on my buddy's ohm meter, will have to do until I can spare the money. Any links you can provide would be appreciated, and will be looked at for sure. I do want to be as safe as possible, just have to budget things a bit differently to get that ohm meter as soon as I can spare the money. Thank you both for your replies, they have been helpful.

 

[suprtrkr]

If you can give me the diameter mandrel you are using to wrap, I can guess pretty close as to what amp loading you are running. No matter, really: my current favorite battery is the LG HD2C and it is a native 25 amp cell. You may need more, depending on your amps-- 5 wrap 22 dualies is going to be pretty low, unless you're wrapping on a Quaker Oats box-- but I have pretty much given up on 20A cells entirely since the 2Cs became available.

 

[celticluvr]

HOLY VAPES!!! I just learned Ohm's Law!!! That was literally the easiest explanation I've seen!!! Thank you @Wheelin247!!!

I am not, I repeat NOT, good at math at all and every time I saw Ohm's Law explained over the last 4 years... My brain went

But this was so smooth and easy... Holy Crap!!! Thank you!!!

 

[Wheelin247]

If you can give me the diameter mandrel you are using to wrap, I can guess pretty close as to what amp loading you are running. No matter, really: my current favorite battery is the LG HD2C and it is a native 25 amp cell. You may need more, depending on your amps-- 5 wrap 22 dualies is going to be pretty low, unless you're wrapping on a Quaker Oats box-- but I have pretty much given up on 20A cells entirely since the 2Cs became available.

One thing you forgot to mention is what kind of wire your using to get that resistance. That is as important as anything else that we are letting the OP know.


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[Wheelin247]

I will admit, that having an ohm meter is high on my priority list, but all things being equal, an understanding of ohms law, and building the same coils that I checked on my buddy's ohm meter, will have to do until I can spare the money. Any links you can provide would be appreciated, and will be looked at for sure. I do want to be as safe as possible, just have to budget things a bit differently to get that ohm meter as soon as I can spare the money. Thank you both for your replies, they have been helpful.

This is the ohm meter I use and I love it. Large enough footprint to install your coil builds plus it uses a single 18650. One good thing about this ohm meter is it fires your coils after you install them to get the coils glowing right, then wick it, juice it up and fire it a few good times to get the cotton broke in. I screw your atty and throw it on your mod and go.

What kind of coils are you running (metal type), what's the ID of the coils your using and how many wraps?

What battery are you running?


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[Wheelin247]

HOLY VAPES!!! I just learned Ohm's Law!!! That was literally the easiest explanation I've seen!!! Thank you @Wheelin247!!!

I am not, I repeat NOT, good at math at all and every time I saw Ohm's Law explained over the last 4 years... My brain went

But this was so smooth and easy... Holy Crap!!! Thank you!!!

No worries my friend.

I suck at math too and I couldn't understand ohms law so I found those couple of ways to figure my numbers and write it out on a note card. Then I took a pic so if I need to figure ohms law at a vape shop or at a friends house I would always have it without having the notecard. It's so easy it's almost stupid with those ways of figuring it out.

Share it with friends and anyone who wants to know ohms law (everybody should know it wether they are running mechs, unregs or regs).


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[suprtrkr]

One thing you forgot to mention is what kind of wire your using to get that resistance. That is as important as anything else that we are letting the OP know.


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Fairly said but-- no offense-- OP said he was running Kanthal A1 in the top-line post...

 

[Wheelin247]

Fairly said but-- no offense-- OP said he was running Kanthal A1 in the top-line post...

No offense take. I guess I missed that part of the post. My bad lol ::face palm::


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[IMFire3605]

So, I have been vaping a long while now, but there are still a few places I am particularly lacking in information, most notably batteries. My devices, and available batteries, have changed over the 4+ years I have been vaping so I have found it somewhat hard to keep up with what is good for what I am currently running, so I am turning to you all for suggestions.

I am currently running a 252 parallel box mod that was a gift from the fine folks at, you guessed it, 252. I have a MutationX V4 atty with dual 22g 5wrap (kanthal A-1) coils. Now, I am not sure what this ohms out to anymore, since I have always just remade the same coils over the last 2 or so years lol. I am needing new batteries as my supply of good ones are starting to dwindle to the point of inconvenience. I have looked at the standard Samsung 25R's (which if I am not mistaken are 20a batteries) as an option, but someone had told me once that for mechanical mods, it's better to use 25a batteries. I am just not really sure what best suits my device, and I want to be safe with what I get... oddly enough, I am not fond of the idea of a battery venting while I am holding my device.

I appreciate any and all input, as long as it's constructive. Thank you all in advance.

At that build on a parallel mech box you have about 4 to 5 battery choices given your statements.

Samsung 25R is it pretty decent 20amp workhorse, at a 0.14ohm build about the lowest suggested and safest on a parallel box mod, 20amp Sammy 25R will work just fine being the load is about 30amps at 0.14ohm between both batteries being in parallel, giving 5000mah total runtime between them being 2500mah each.

25amp
The LG HD2, HD2C, and HD4 (between 2000mah and 2200mah) @ 25amp CDR will work perfectly
Sony VTC5A 2500mah @ 25amps (take note of the "A" in the model number) this is a revamp of the old VTC5 2600mah 20amp, and mech users love them to death due to their base 25amp CDR and their pulse and Max Vaping Amps by Mooch's charts and tests.

30amp CDR
LG HB2, HB4, HB6 all at 1500mah, and true 30amp CDR, with the HB6 testing as the coolest running battery on the market at max CDR of 30amps

hth narrow down your field depending on what you are wanting, runtime /w some decent safety to less runtime with major safety, with the VTC5A being highly suggested.

illumn.com
imrbatteries.com
Liionwholesale.com
RTDVapor.com
orbtronic.com

all great vendors for authentic batteries, and you might find a decently priced Ohm reader on one of them sites to help you out as well

stay safe out there.

 

[81EMT]

If you can give me the diameter mandrel you are using to wrap, I can guess pretty close as to what amp loading you are running. No matter, really: my current favorite battery is the LG HD2C and it is a native 25 amp cell. You may need more, depending on your amps-- 5 wrap 22 dualies is going to be pretty low, unless you're wrapping on a Quaker Oats box-- but I have pretty much given up on 20A cells entirely since the 2Cs became available.

The best answer I can give is it's a #1 mini driver that I wrap on. I forget what diameter that works out to since it was a number of years ago when I actually put a pair of calipers on it.

To everyone else, thank you all for the suggestions. I am leaning towards the VTC5As as my battery choice, but I will be conferring with a few other people over the next couple days since there a holiday here on Tuesday, it's not like I will be able to get them before then anyway.

 

[KenD]

I will admit, that having an ohm meter is high on my priority list, but all things being equal, an understanding of ohms law, and building the same coils that I checked on my buddy's ohm meter, will have to do until I can spare the money. Any links you can provide would be appreciated, and will be looked at for sure. I do want to be as safe as possible, just have to budget things a bit differently to get that ohm meter as soon as I can spare the money. Thank you both for your replies, they have been helpful.

Without a resistance reading you might have a short and not know it before you press the fire button, resulting in battery venting. Get a resistance reader now.

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[Wheelin247]

Without a resistance reading you might have a short and not know it before you press the fire button, resulting in battery venting. Get a resistance reader now.

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Read other comments he knows he needs an ohm meter and like he said in the post you commented on, he is getting one.


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[Wheelin247]

The best answer I can give is it's a #1 mini driver that I wrap on. I forget what diameter that works out to since it was a number of years ago when I actually put a pair of calipers on it.

To everyone else, thank you all for the suggestions. I am leaning towards the VTC5As as my battery choice, but I will be conferring with a few other people over the next couple days since there a holiday here on Tuesday, it's not like I will be able to get them before then anyway.

Good choice. I run HB6's on one of my HOG's and the other HOG I run VTC5a's. You won't be disappointed.

As far as building coils, you may want to get a CoilMaster builders kit (link below). This will come with everything you need to build coils. Has an ohm meter (cheap but gets you by u tip you can get a better on if need be), flush cut snips, tweezers, pliers, coil building jig (I own one and never build a coil without using them u less I'm building on a 6mm bit for massive coils on my Mason 40mm RDA or 41mm Voltrove RTA), some wire, screwdrivers and scissors. I got this kit when I was starting to build and I never had to buy another one. The only thing I can see you getting is more wire (SS is the best wire to use IMO. I build a lot of 4mm ID 22g SS coils. Better flavor than KA1 and better flavor but lower resistance..I build a lot of .1-.15 coils on my HOG).

CoilMaster DIY Kit V3 with 521 Mini Tab



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[81EMT]

Is there any particular reason why I can't just use a multi-meter to measure the ohms?

 

[suprtrkr]

Is there any particular reason why I can't just use a multi-meter to measure the ohms?

Yes. You can, of course, but most multi-meters-- including my Fluke 287-- do not read fractional ohms well, and can not display ohm values to greater than one decimal. To a multi-meter, a tenth of an ohm is a rounding error. To a vaper, it's the difference between a satisfying vape and a trip to the hospital. You would need a "milliohm-meter" to provide the accuracy you require. Most of these run hundreds of dollars and are not suitable for vape purposes as they use several hundred volts and a high amp current; they are intended to measure resistance in motor windings. Another alternative is a quad-probe Kelvin setup, which are substantially more expensive than a vaper's ohmmeter; cheapest I ever saw was on eBay, Chinese made, for a Franklin even. If you are handy with electronics-- I am not-- you could build a ersatz quad probe setup with a couple 741 op-amps and a used DC power supply, even a wall wart. The idea is simple: you pump a known (exact) voltage across your resistance, and measure the actual voltage across it at the same time. Voltage drop across a resistance is proportional to the value of the resistance, and accurate voltmeters are a lot easier to build than ohmmeters, thus much cheaper. (Calibrating such a system would require at least one very high accuracy resistor of some, but preferably low, value; on the order of three-decimal accuracy. Those aren't cheap either, but can be bought used or removed from equipment.)

Or you can do it the old-fashioned way: you can buy a cheesy vaper's ohmmeter on eBay for less than 5 bucks (free ship), or a CoilMaster 521 MiniTab for $16 plus shipping. Using a multi-meter is not valueless: they will show a dead short. But they're also likely to read a .25 coil as a short, or (even worse) tell you you have a .8 ohm coil when you really have a .3 ohm coil.

 

[81EMT]

That was a well thought out and detailed reply, and I thank you for it.

 

[sonicbomb]

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