Need cheap long lasting battery for DNA30 clone

[veganvap]

I have a cloupor DNA30 clone. I usually only vape at around 12 Watts with a 2ohm coil. Every once in a while I'll do 30W to burn away extra juice, but if using watts over like 20 means that I'll need a higher amp rated battery that offers less mAhs/battery life, then I'll just open the tank and fling the extra juice away and only ever vape at 14W the max.

I've been using a Trustfire 2000mAh 18650 'high capacity without memory effect, precise digital protection circuit built-in' which has never given good battery life even at only 10W all day. Now it's pretty much dead.

I find eBay has the best battery prices, so looking to buy from there. I'll buy from a US seller preferably a vape co. stressing how theirs are genuine.

 

[Turbo350z]

There is a Black Friday thread with discount codes. One of em was 5$ Samsung 25r 2500 mah. Pick up a few of those.

 

[veganvap]

ebay has those for $9 shipped. With shipping and the $5 code, it's probably the same or slightly less because they won't ship it for less than $3 totaling $8 so I'd rather get the ebay instead of dig through that thread to save a dollar if anything.

so does anyone disagree for how I vape, is there a battery that will give longer life but still not crap out if I want to go to 25ish Watts for a second now and then?

 

[veganvap]

I was going to get 1 of these Original Panasonic NCR18650B 18650 3400mAh Rechargeable Li ion Battery | eBay

but I searched it and this thread says they're not protected and that they're not even NCR (or are they?) it says they're unprotected ICR http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...00mah-battery-your-evic-ego-t-mod-others.html


Does the battery really need protection even though my MOD has it? I just want long battery life and no fear that the thing will ignite while charging overnight or during use. I don't care how much it costs but it should probably be under $10 shipped anyway.

I just got 2 of these for my flashlight thinking they were NCR and protected, but apparently their neither. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-P...057?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19f7ad0a11
The seller I got them from didn't list that they had no protection and didn't list anything about IMR, so I bought them to replace the cheap sketchy 18650s that came with my flashlight as suggested elsewhere. Now I don't know what to do with them. I don't want to end up with $100 of batteries I don't want. Please someone help. thanks.

 

[Necrotic]

I was going to get 1 of these Original Panasonic NCR18650B 18650 3400mAh Rechargeable Li ion Battery | eBay

but I searched it and this thread says they're not protected and that they're not even NCR (or are they?) it says they're unprotected ICR http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...00mah-battery-your-evic-ego-t-mod-others.html


Does the battery really need protection even though my MOD has it? I just want long battery life and no fear that the thing will ignite while charging overnight. Any other suggestions for my particular usage? I don't really care how much it costs but it should probably be under $10 shipped anyway. Thanks.

Those batteries only have a 6 amp limit. Not good for any vape related item. The Panasonic 18650PF are 10 amps. Like the other person said get the Samsungs. You don't want cheap batteries you want good batteries. Cheap batteries do this.

 

[Norrin]

The mAh rating means virtually nothing when used in vaping, in general the higher the amp rating the longer it will last. Buy decent batteries or have short lasting ones there are no cheap long lasting batteries for vaping.

 

[veganvap]

The Samsung 25r 2500 mah isn't protected. Does it matter since my Clouper DNA30 clone already has protection?


Also, for my headlamp flashlight like this
CREE XM L T6 LED Headlight Head Light Lamp Zoomable 2000LM 2 x Battery Charger | eBay

I had the seller refund me $1.50 and not include the cheap batteries it included in case they wanted to explode strapped to my head, and instead, I bought these because of the safer NCR chemistry and protection written on the label
10x 5000mAh 3 7V 18650 NCR Li ion LED Flashlight Torch Rechargeable Battery Pack | eBay

but what I received instead of the white NCRs were two unbranded solid blue 18650s that just said 'Good 18650 5000mAh ace-mall.com" and I got a refund from the buyer for these being seriously not as described.

Next I bought two of these panasonics thinking they were NCR and protected because the seller didn't mention that they're actually IMR and unprotected, or are they NCR, or does it even matter?
Brand New Panasonic NCR18650PF 2900mAh High Drain 10A 18650 IMR Li on Battery | eBay


So now I'm wondering, with a 10A limit of those Panasonics, should I just use those for vaping and use the blue acce-mall.com batteries in the flashlight? Or should I really get something protected for the flashlight? The flashlight doesn't mention anything about having built in protection. If I draw too much amps from any of these in the DNA30, won't the protection kick in and stop it and thus I could even use the cheap acce-malls in the MOD? Again, I'm only vaping 2ohm coils at like 13Watts, usually 10.5W.

 

[Stosh]

The ICR type batteries have protection circuits because they are necessary (or protection circuits are necessary in whatever they are used in). This is because they are low amperage, low output cells that can be over amp-ed easily, resulting in venting of flames, and a possible explosion. They are not appropriate for vaping in any mod, regulated or not.

The IMR type batteries do not require protection circuits because they use a safer chemistry, if overloaded they will not explode or produce flames. They are also able to produce a much higher continuous discharge amperage, safely. High output, high amp IMR batteries are the only that can be regarded as safe for vaping, no matter the ohms of the topper you are using.

Determining your amperage draw in a regulated mod is not as simple as the numbers you are citing. When the batteries in your unit are being used and their voltage decreases, as is normal, the amperage drawn will increase to be able to produce the same regulated output. That is as the battery is used and drops from the initial 4.2 volts to say 3.6 volts, the circuitry in your mod increases the amps drawn to keep the output to your coil the same.

 

[AntC]

If you are worried about it at all then I'd go with a Sony VTC4. 30 amp CONTINUOUS (don't be fooled by pulse amp ratings) Before everyone slams me, I KNOW they can't be found easy. However, Xtar has the VTC4, as well as Efest. Both have re-wrapped VTC4 cells. Both are under 10 dollars. When safety is an issue, why not cover yourself just to be sure, right? FYI - The Efest is a purple, but there are a few different purple 18650, so make sure you're getting the right one. 2100 mah, shoot maybe 2000 or 2200. Sorry I forget, but it's very easy to research. I also found real VTC4s online, for 15 bucks a piece. Can't remember, where but they can still be found. I'm just scared waste money on fakes, alot of fake VTC'S out there right now. Hope this helps, I know 30 amp may seem overboard, but I feel completely safe using my VTC'S even though the lowest I go is around .6 or .7 which is completely within the 30 amp range. Don't think I've ever gone past 20amps, even when playing around with different builds. Again hope I could help, I remember being where you are and I just wanted to NOT be a horror story (see pictures above) and researched the heck out of it before getting batteries. Happy Holidays

 

[AntC]

Oh, and sorry I didn't see if anyone else mentioned this, but I'd stay away from ANY battery or any equipment really, that has the word "fire" in it. I was told that as a newb and it's served me well.

 

[veganvap]

Good post Stosh, thanks to the others too though.

So you're saying don't ever get a protected and/or ICR battery for vaping because they can't supply enough Amps. Protected ICR batteries are meant for low-amp usage in unprotected devices such as that headlamp, and thus, I should get protected ICR (or NCR) batteries for it. If the headlamp already has protection, which isn't noted though, then it's just an extra measure if both the battery and device have protection?

These 10 Ampers I already got should be okay for vaping 1.4ohms at 12 Watts though, no?
Brand New Panasonic NCR18650PF 2900mAh High Drain 10A 18650 IMR Li on Battery | eBay

The MOD manual says use VTC4s for over 20Watts and for 7-20 Watts can use an AW IMR Panasonic CGR, which is a 10A battery without PCB protection Circuit Board, so I guess those green Panasonic 10A unprotected should be fine under 20W.

But I've been using this MOD safely for about 5 months with a protected Trustfire TF 18650 2000mAh (but I don't think I ever sub ohm'd under .9 with more than like 15Watts just quickly testing it out and realizing I don't like hot vapor.
this 2pcs TrustFire 2000mAh 18650 Lithium Rechargeable Battery for Torch with Holder | eBay

I can't find the Amp rating for that Trustfire, but since it's protected, I guess like you said, it has a low Amp output and thus shouldn't be used for vaping, but apparently I haven't exceeded it's Amp limit and 10A Panasonic should be fine?


And for the shady "Good 18650 ace-mall 2000mAh" batteries, just recycle them?

 

[roxynoodle]

Right. Buy a high quality, unprotected battery. Sony, Samsung, LG, Efest or AW IMR.

 

[Stosh]

These 10 Ampers I already got should be okay for vaping 1.4ohms at 12 Watts though, no?
Brand New Panasonic NCR18650PF 2900mAh High Drain 10A 18650 IMR Li on Battery | eBay

The 10 amp batteries should be OK for a normal 1.4-2.0Ω loads, you would be drawing fewer amps. The difference in cost for a 20 amp battery that should last you for a year or two at least is worth it for peace of mind. I like having the extra "headroom", extra amp rating in case Murphy and his silly law pops up.

The Trustfire line are mostly considered junk, often over-rated amp claims, mah claims. And running a protection circuit in your mod, and a protection circuit in your battery is a bad idea. It's counting on one or the other reacting properly, and not interfering with each other, or one cancelling out the other....it's something the designers never expected or allowed for in the design.

Personally, I would prefer using an IMR style in my flashlights, or headlamps, or anything I'm going to put close to my body. If you put it into your pocket next to your....ahem, you know....and you have the choice of possible flames or no flames....I'll go with no flames every-time, even if it's only a one in a million chance.

 

[veganvap]

ok, so I'm joining a flashlight forum tosee if they think I should use protected or unprotected in the cree headlamp (I don't know if the built in charger or board has PCB). I think the general consensus is to actually use protected, but as Stosh said, maybe I should get unprotected IMR if IMR only vents gas and the protected might blow up worst case scenario.


For my MOD, I'll get one of the Samsung 25r 2500 mAh suggested. I'm returning the two 10A unprotected Sony greens I got since I bought them for the headlamp thinking they're protected NCR and although I could use them in my MOD, it only holds 1 battery and by the time one's charging cycle exipres, I'll probably have a dual/tripple 18650 MOD with giant dual/quad coils needing higher amp batts. The sketchy ace-mall.com "good 18650" batteries I'll probably recycle. Thanks again.


So get this for the MOD?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-INR...t=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item2a445dc364

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-S...19722?pt=Battery_Chargers&hash=item43d3680a0a


First link says it's 35A, but the second and all the other listing I checked say it's 20A?

 

[veganvap]

I'ma go ahead and buy one of those in the last two links even though one says 35A and all the rest say 20A, if no one says I got the wrong ones, I'll assume they're fine.

Also, it was suggested on a flashlight forum to use protected cells in the cheap headlamp. "You can absolutely, and should, use protected batteries in a light that has some of its own protection. Some lights have low voltage protection, the protection on li-ions do more. They also provide overcharge and overcurrent protection."

 

[KGB7]

ok, so I'm joining a flashlight forum tosee if they think I should use protected or unprotected in the cree headlamp (I don't know if the built in charger or board has PCB). I think the general consensus is to actually use protected, but as Stosh said, maybe I should get unprotected IMR if IMR only vents gas and the protected might blow up worst case scenario.


For my MOD, I'll get one of the Samsung 25r 2500 mAh suggested. I'm returning the two 10A unprotected Sony greens I got since I bought them for the headlamp thinking they're protected NCR and although I could use them in my MOD, it only holds 1 battery and by the time one's charging cycle exipres, I'll probably have a dual/tripple 18650 MOD with giant dual/quad coils needing higher amp batts. The sketchy ace-mall.com "good 18650" batteries I'll probably recycle. Thanks again.


So get this for the MOD?

Samsung INR 18650 25R Battery 2500mAh High Drain 35A Discharge INR18650 25R | eBay

Brand New Samsung 25R 2500mAh High Drain 20A Rechargeable Li on Battery | eBay


First link says it's 35A, but the second and all the other listing I checked say it's 20A?

Same exact batteries. Both are 20amp continues. This is why i dont trust ebay, way too much misinformation and fake products coming from overseas..

Heres a trusted place to buy batteries. 18650 Samsung INR18650-25R 2500mAh High Discharge Flat Top - Batteries - Batteries, Chargers, and PowerPax Carriers

I'ma go ahead and buy one of those in the last two links even though one says 35A and all the rest say 20A, if no one says I got the wrong ones, I'll assume they're fine.

Also, it was suggested on a flashlight forum to use protected cells in the cheap headlamp. "You can absolutely, and should, use protected batteries in a light that has some of its own protection. Some lights have low voltage protection, the protection on li-ions do more. They also provide overcharge and overcurrent protection."

Do NOT use protected batteries in any vaping hardware, ever!