Need Comments on US Plane Ban by Nov. 14

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Vocalek

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CASAA has set up a Call to Action page with a direct link to the Comments form for the proposed US Department of Transporation (DOT) regulation, "Smoking of Electronic Cigarettes on Aircraft." CASAA.org=

The CTA includes hints on how to register your comment and on what to say.

We have until November 14th to submit our comments.

Why this Issue is Important

The Department of Transportation wants to amend the Code of Federal Regulations to re-define what "smoking" means to include use of an electronic cigarette. Link to full description of what DOT plans to do and their justification for doing so: Regulations.gov

Fines of up to $3,300

Currently thousands (probably tens of thousans) of vapers use their device very discretely on planes. If this regulation goes into effect, any vaper caught using a PV on a plane will be subject to the same criminal penalties as someone who lit a tobacco cigarette on fire and smoked it. This would involve a fine of up to $3,300.

Separation of Powers

There is also a Constitutional issue at stake. Our Constitution calls for a separation of powers. The Legislative branch writes the laws. The Executive branch (all the various "Departments" in the U.S. Government) enforce the laws by writing regulations to carry out the intent of Congress.

In this case, the law passed by Congress is 49 USC Section 41706. It states, "An individual may not smoke in an aircraft.” Full text of law: 49 U.S.C. § 41706 : US Code - Section 41706: Prohibitions against smoking on scheduled flights

DOT created regulations to enforce this law. These are stored in the Code of Federal Regulations: 14 CFR Part 252. Text: PART 252—SMOKING ABOARD AIRCRAFT :: PART 252--SMOKING ABOARD AIRCRAFT :: CHAPTER II--OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION (AVIATION PROCEEDINGS) :: Title 14 - Aeronautics and Space :: Code of Federal Regulations :: Regulations

Currently, the regulations in Part 252 do not exceed what is authorized in the law. If DOT is permitted to redefine what "smoking" means, they are, in effect, writing their own legislation instead of going back to Congress to have the law changed.

Violation of 8th Amendment Rights?

Personally, I feel that punishing a PV user as if s/he were smoking a combusted cigarette constitutes cruel and unsual punishment. The punishment does not fit the crime. See U.S. Constitution - Amendment 8 - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

Related case law:

At the time the Eighth Amendment was adopted, the Court noted, ``the word `fine' was
understood to mean a payment to a sovereign as punishment for some offense.''\33\ The Eighth Amendment itself, as were antecedents of the Clause in the Virginia Declaration of Rights and in the English Bill of Rights of 1689, ``clearly was adopted with the particular intent of placing limits on the powers of the new government.''
The Constitution of the United States of America
 
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Comment:

Unless & until DOT can cite harm or threat to those with casual contact to e-cigarette vapor, legality of use is not an issue within DOT purview.

The amount of the proposed fine(s) is extremely excessive, indicating a complete lack of understanding of the devices, and makes an offense on par with cigarette smoking. Since there is no fire or smoke, the use of an e-cigarette is not the equivalent of smoking & should not be treated as such; it is on par with an inhaler.

Further research on the part of DOT, along with valid analysis of same, would seem to be in order prior to taking any action regarding this issue.

In this case, the law passed by Congress is 49 USC Section 41706. It states, "An individual may not smoke in an aircraft.” Full text of law: 49 U.S.C. § 41706 : US Code - Section 41706: Prohibitions against smoking on scheduled flights

DOT created regulations to enforce this law. These are stored in the Code of Federal Regulations: 14 CFR Part 252. Text: PART 252; SMOKING ABOARD AIRCRAFT :: PART 252--SMOKING ABOARD AIRCRAFT :: CHAPTER II--OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION (AVIATION PROCEEDINGS) :: Title 14 - Aeronautics and Space :: Code of Federal Regulations :: Regulations

Currently, the regulations in Part 252 do not exceed what is authorized by law. The DOT cannot redefine what "smoking" means, they need to go back to Congress to have the law changed, and then they can enforce this ridiculous rule.
Until such time, any change that is attempted to be enforced is a violation of government law and I will exercise my right as a US citizen to seek court ruling in this matter.

Dan
 
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I agree with ban on electronic cigarettes(EC) on passenger flights for the following reasons: EC help perpetuate addiction of tobacco EC use might accidently allow under age youth to smoke on planes A terrorist might use a EC for a devious plan(I am not sure how but they would figure it out) I would not want to sit next to someone using a EC It is bad for your health Eric M Ossowski MD Family Physician

This man is a doctor :facepalm:
 

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This man is a doctor :facepalm:

Apparently medical schools now will accept candidates who have not learned
  • that declarative sentences should end with a period
  • proper use of the indefinite article adjectives "a" and "an"
  • subject-verb number agreement.
 
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