Took and old carto out to practice with. Think I have the dremel technique down pat. Have had to use dremels for a variety of different things in my life. Now I just have to wait for my juice shipment to get here so I can test my new improvements. For the smoketek the dremel works perfectly. For the Boge, which seem to be a big tougher, the saddle valve punches them with no distortion.
