New and looking for organic options

[Bliss Doubt]

GMO means more people can eat, including poorer countries. And organic is not necessarily pure, since insects cross contaminate while ingesting and pollen collecting.

You are much more likely to get carcinogenic substances from stinkies than vaping non organic flavoring.

Just my 2 cents.

Some things I can let go. Other things I can't leave un-answered.

You're welcome to the frankenfood if you want it. The technology isn't going away. The original intent wasn't increased crop yields. It was to allow sluicing with glyphosate to kill weeds without affecting the plants, for one, and the other to put pesticide in every cell of the vegetable, causing plant pests to fall dead. But big ag has put out so called "peer reviewed" studies to show nominal yield increases, whereby they fund the study, select who will conduct the study, reject the results they don't want revealed, and voila, "peer reviewed" studies in their favor.

You'll never convince me that miles of ocean dead zones from the ag runoff, killing wholesale the marine life that other communities make their livings from, and that we all like to consume, are worth the technology of overruling nature's processes with hubristic killing technologies, nor that annual decreases in human male gonad sizes and sperm counts are worth the effort, or that when all impacts are counted, you get more food to feed more people. And the GMO farmers are not allowed to save seeds.

My argument was about the real vs. the perceived standards of organic farming. Everybody is free to grow what they want, eat what they want and vape what they want. I like having these discussions, but I hear the moderators trotting up with their spanking sticks, so that's all I'll say. You can have the last word.

 

[Bliss Doubt]

Organic is meant to make a tasty meal, not inhale.

I really can't handle that one.

My post was about the standards of organic food growing, not about what you should and shouldn't vape. Some would say that nothing you can vape is actually good for you, but I'll always argue it as being a much safer way to assuage nicotine addiction than smoking tobacco. Obviously the OP believes in organically grown ingredients, as per the title of her post, "...looking for organic options", so I offered her one that I really like. I wish I could actually afford to buy Velvet Vapors all the time, with their long history of superb flavors and excellent customer service, but on my budget it has to remain an occasional treat.

We're talking about using extracts to flavor eliquid, not about vaping tomatoes and potatoes.

Again, one answer, and I'll give you the last word. I enjoy the discussions, but the moderators see a discussion of anything real, consider it political and tell you to "take it outside".

 

[Bliss Doubt]

Our cats take care of the mice, but I've caught them pooping in the garden. LOL

You know, I completely forgot about composting I've been doing lately, because I didn't think of it as compost, but it is, even though its purpose is stray cat deterrent.

I planted some landscape hedge after stormageddon Feb. 2021 left the front garden of my building all brown and dead. Around the same time we got a new tenant, a cat lady who feeds strays, and paid to have some of them fixed. I found out they were destroying my newly planted garden by using it as their litter box. I didn't have the heart to call animal control, because cat lady seems like a nice person, nor did I want to use poisons. I looked up what works to keep cats out of planted areas, and indeed this has worked: a continuously built compost of chopped orange peels, daily coffee grounds, garlic cloves. Every 90 days, a liberal dusting of cayenne powder (only quarterly because otherwise the cats adjust to it and it stops working). I also spent a morning sticking bamboo picks into the soil. Cats won't take a chance on getting their paws poked. They don't like thyme either, so I included my stripped thyme stems from cooking. I kept adding all that daily for a while. For those concerned about attracting roaches, all of these things repel roaches too. You can save your breakfast egg shells, dry them out in the oven, then crush and add those. I did all of that and it worked, but when I wanted to plant thyme, I was afraid I'd made the soil too acidic, so I put down a couple of bags of oyster shell chicken scratch, which re-alkalizes the soil, and has sharp shards that also deter the cats. I found it for a lower price than soil lime. All in all, it worked. I no longer see the piles of dirt scratched away from the plants, nor the offending turds. My thyme plants, and the landscape plants, are doing fine. Some of the garlic put down roots and sprouted, so eventually we'll have fresh garlic for all as a bonus.

I still have to swallow my disappointment over what the cat colony has done to the squirrel population in our live oak trees.

 

[Bliss Doubt]

Do you think that they were cheating to be certified organic? I imagine that the govt investigators can and do take lab samples occasionally, but I'll bet that most of the compliance is demonstrated by the practices of the Farm, with inspections that may or may not be announced, depending on their compliance history.

I don't want to speculate too much, in case they really are struggling with trying to do things right. There is a lot of weird stuff going on. Our national rail systems seem to be in mutiny, refusing to ship grain (in which case farm animals will begin to starve within days), refusing to ship fertilizer (in which case our spring planting cycle is aborted). We have farmers being told to burn their fields or suffer having it done for them. It's been a year or two now that ranchers have been told to destroy their herds, or have it done for them. Now the poultry farmers are being forced to have their flocks tested for Cootie19, then being told "Infection! Destroy those birds, destroy those eggs!" It all makes me wonder when I look at the home page of Cascadian Farms and see their home farm will be off limits to visitors this summer.

Probably very soon there will be no food left for us to argue about. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[PH.Song]

Hello! I have vaped years ago and want to start again. Looking for easy ecig with cartridges with least amount of chemicals. Any help would be great!

Thanks!

Welcome to ECF, you'll find good friends here.

 

[vapingfool]

Some things I can let go. Other things I can't leave un-answered.

... And the GMO farmers are not allowed to save seeds. ...

This is intentional on the part of the GMO seed producers. The seeds resulting from the farmer's efforts would not grow true - since the GMO seeds are from unstable crosses.

That means the farmer has to buy new seed every year - guaranteeing a steady revenue stream for the GMO seed producer.