thanks for all the suggestions and help. I think I may start with the Riva 510 - Special Edition from liberty-flights. price seems decent, comes with 10 carts, 2 batteries, 2 atomizers, usb and regular chargers, and atomizer cone (not sure what that is). seems to have longer battery life too. I was thinking of getting 30ml of churchill 14mg tobacco liquid as well. How does this sound as a startup kit for a newbie? is there anything else i should consider getting as well? or am i totally headed in the wrong direction? thanks again.
You can't go much wrong with a riva 510 as a starter kit.
All I would say is I'd be careful buying 30mls of juice before you know you like it, if you try it and it's not to your liking or worse still you hate it / are allergic to a substance in it, you'll have not only wasted money but could have nothing to vape and be forced back to the deathly embrace of real cigs again!
I'd get 5-10 small smaller bottles, 5mls of lots of tobacco juices you like the sound of and try em out. You find one you fall in love with then sure, order as much as you can carry!