Now I just got my mods about a week ago so still getting use to them, The L-rider Robust is good for those who want a portable quick toot here and there, its sleek and stealthy so easy to vape on if your around people who don't know what vaping is like when i am on campus lol. Yes the battery life does suck but well 14500 bats are not much different from triple A batteries so people don't look at you like ... and also the sqaure mod dosnt look as much like a pipe bomb(which on campus is a good thing). Now my VV/VW is the vamo its cheap and looks nice also i like that it can be size 2 ways without buying extra parts, now on a side note i only used mine for like a few days before having to send it back to where i bought it from as the plastic cover over the lcd screen was like woobly and loose and i could push on it an almost pop it out (that is not normal). It also had a thunking sound inside the top half like the curcuits were flip flopping all around (that might be normal). So that is currently in the mail on its way back and hopefully i will get a new one soon. It really sucks having to use my Lrider as my main PV, but after going to VV and realizing what a warm vapor can taste like on a 2.8 omh carto I cant go back to my egos.