new in ECF but vaping for over 2 years

[chiboboom]

hey guys
1st of great to come here and see "im not alone in the world" (vaping is on realy low flame in israel).
as the title says im a "long time"(on my standards) e-cig user...happy to state that i didnt touch a real cigaret for over 2 years
and more happy to say i have no real craving for a "real" cigaret.
little info on my vaping habbits:
battery>adjustable voltage ANYVAPE V-gear 1300.
cartomizer>KANGERTECH T3S BCC
coil>single coil 1.8 ohm
e-juice>NEOLAB brand pg+vg(dont know the ratio) 18 mg(80%) mixed with 11 mg(20%) tobacco flavoured(parliament flavour (mostly) and desert(camel) flavour).

i read some intresting posts here about voltage/resistance ratio and how to get a better throat hit playing with wattage.
i couldnt find a post regarding nicotine lvls compared to wattage outpot and its affect on throat hit(maybe thiers a chart i missed showing that).
hears the deal....
im looking to lower my nicotine lvls and not lose the throat hit im getting from my great(im my mind) e-juice(1 of only ones i dont get headaches from after trying hangsen brand and dekang brand....no doubt im 1 of those alergic to to much PG%)
i know i need to get a lower resistance coil(1.5 ohm dual coil )for higher wattage output but not sure if my adjustable volatage battery will be enough or i need to get a voltage+wattage adjustable battery .
looking for any insight u might have on the matter
thx

 

[Warpigs]

Welcome to ECF!

 

[EBates]

Welcome aboard

 

[Steven G]

Greetings chiboboom and Welcome to the ECF.................................Enjoy...................................

 

[Rat2chat2]

to ecf chiboboom. So glad to have you here. One place that you will never be alone. I am not sure exactly what you are asking but in an e-liquid, in my opinion, it is the percentage of nic that has the most to do with the amount of throat hit. I am not real concerned with nic and have no plans of lowering mine. I'm sure others will that know more than me will have suggestions for you. Look forward to reading more about you. Have fun and happy vaping to you.

 

[chiboboom]

thx all...happy to be here
and rat2chat...u are correct in general...nic has a big influance with throat hit and i get when u say u have no worries about nicotine but still...it cant be good to give the body to much of something(vitamin C/calcium/Caffeine etc... is great for u but u can still be poisend/harm the body with to much)....i have read about poeple vaping 0 mg nicotine e-juices and are still greatly enjoying thier vaping.
fyi...the case wher a young child died of e-juice Digestion cousing a nicotine poisenning happend in israel(1 of reasons vaping is mainly(not 100% non legal but still) not allowed by my Government).
the way i see it....vaping is the best replacment for "real" cigarets...health and money wise...why not find a way to make it PERFECT

 

[Katya]

hears the deal....
im looking to lower my nicotine lvls and not lose the throat hit im getting from my great(im my mind) e-juice(1 of only ones i dont get headaches from after trying hangsen brand and dekang brand....no doubt im 1 of those alergic to to much PG%)
i know i need to get a lower resistance coil(1.5 ohm dual coil )for higher wattage output but not sure if my adjustable volatage battery will be enough or i need to get a voltage+wattage adjustable battery .
looking for any insight u might have on the matter
thx

Shalom Chibo and welcome.

THere's nothing wrong with your setup, but you could possible get a better topper for you vv battery. Since you're already familiar with Kanger clearomizers, why not move up to a dual coil Kanger clearo? You can get DC T3D, eVod glass II, or mini Aerotank. Or a regular size Aerotank. I use them and like them. What's the upper voltage limit on your battery?

Anyway, try those, and if you feel that you need a stronger battery, I'd get an MVP 20--it's a brand new battery that will take you all the way up to 20 watts!

Good luck!

 

[Ryedan]

i read some intresting posts here about voltage/resistance ratio and how to get a better throat hit playing with wattage.
i couldnt find a post regarding nicotine lvls compared to wattage outpot and its affect on throat hit(maybe thiers a chart i missed showing that).
hears the deal....
im looking to lower my nicotine lvls and not lose the throat hit im getting from my great(im my mind) e-juice(1 of only ones i dont get headaches from after trying hangsen brand and dekang brand....no doubt im 1 of those alergic to to much PG%)
i know i need to get a lower resistance coil(1.5 ohm dual coil )for higher wattage output but not sure if my adjustable volatage battery will be enough or i need to get a voltage+wattage adjustable battery .
looking for any insight u might have on the matter
thx

Hi chiboboom and welcome to ECF.

As you know, nicotine is a huge part of TH. Higher watts will make more heat in the atty, not necessarily higher temperature and so will vaporize more juice per second. Think of it like a pot on the stove heating water. Once the water boils turning up the heat on the stove does not make the water hotter, it just boils more vigorously and makes more steam. Vaping works pretty much the same as long as you have enough air flow in the atty (lid off the pot) and the wick can keep up with the juice vaporization rate (don't let all the water evaporate or you'll burn the pot).

Most people do vape lower nic level juice at higher watts, but they are also vaporizing more juice per drag so the amount of nicotine they are inhaling each time may be very similar. IMO it will about the same if the TH is the same.

I've been vaping almost exclusively zero nicotine juice for a while now and I have yet to find anything that will give me proper TH without nic, even at 70 watts. I took half a year to slowly go down from 18 mg nic to zero and I got used to the loss of TH over that time. I do find that flavors get cleaner with zero nic juices so there is one gain from this process

 

[chiboboom]

thx for fast replys
katya the battery top voltage is 5,and the atty's u sugested are the ones i was thinking about in order to lower resistance so that i get higher wattage...but....what rayedan posted got me thinking(again ) ...if i get higher wattage i will use more juice with every puff....and the question now is ...use 18 mg and get lower nic per puff or get 11 mg but get more nic per puff couse of more juice usage due to higher heat...how do i get less nic in my blood??
...so the solution is like he uses...go 0 nicotine (i was considering using 11 mg 1st) but then again he states the TH is not the same as with nic
anyway to know nicotin usage per puff regarding juice mg/watts??

 

[Ryedan]

anyway to know nicotin usage per puff regarding juice mg/watts??

I have not seen any hard data on this.

I think people vaping at around 8 watts using 18 mg juice would probably be comfortable at around 15 watts with 10 mg and around 25 watts with 6 mg. But that is my opinion only.

For me what really helped to reduce the nic was to go slowly, say 2 mg a month reduction. I found I vaped a bit more after each reduction and then after a week or so I was back to normal consumption. These days I'm totally used to zero nic and if I want a bit of TH once a week I add 3 mg of nic at around 30 watts and I've got it.

 

[Katya]

anyway to know nicotin usage per puff regarding juice mg/watts??

No really hard data yet, but the general consensus is that, depending on your gear, wattage, efficiency of your atomizer and your inhalation technique and frequency, you can absorb about 50% of the nic contained in your eliquid, roughly. With your current setup--eGo class battery and T3S clearo and 11 mg/ml ejiuce--probably less than that--4 or 5 ml of nicotine per each milliliter vaped, if that.

On the other hand, vapers like Ryedan, who use very advanced AVPs on very high wattages, probably get closer to 80% (if not more). Almost every vaper I talked to confesses that they had to switch to very low nicotine e-juices once they started using high-wattage mods and rebuildable atomizers.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...t-equivalent-pack-cigarettes.html#post5161374

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...garette-nicotine-equivalency.html#post5108486

Oh, when you switch to dual coils, you don't really vape at higher wattages--you're using two higher-resistance coils configured in parallel, which means you're getting more vapor, but not more heat, really.

Disclaimer: This is the most simplistic explanation and is addressed to new vapers or vapers who are happy within the recommended "just right" power zone (5-8.5 watts) and use stock coils.

Ohm's Law as it pertains to vaping is really not that complicated--and it's very useful when you want to know what you're doing.

Voltage and wattage are often misunderstood by new vapers. Wattage is the power (heat, sweet spot) that your PV (battery and atomizer) generates. Wattage = Voltage (of your battery) squared divided by Resistance (Ω) of your atomizer [P=V[SUP]2[/SUP]/R]. If you're not good at math, don't worry, use this easy calculator:

Online Conversion - Ohm's Law Calculator

Of course, if you own a VW (variable wattage) device, you don't really need this calculator because your device will do the math for you.

The wattage you want, especially at the beginning of your vaping career, should be somewhere between 4.5 and 8.5 watts per coil. Anything lower than 4.5 watts may not vaporize your juice properly and will not produce enough warmth and vapor. Anything above 8.5 watts increases the risk of burning the filler in your cartomizers (if you're using them) or dry with your clearomizers.

There are, of course, other variables, like eliquid and JDD (juice delivery devices) that you're using on your batteries. Seven watts on a filler type cartomizer may feel different than the same 7 watts on a fillerless clearomizer or a dripping atomizer. The same is true for different eliquids; tobaccos, chocolate and coffees generally require more wattage (heat), while fruit and other delicate flavors do better with less heat. Everyone's sweet spot is different--those are just very general guidelines.

If you are using dual coil atomizers, things get a bit more confusing. Dual coil atties consist of two coils configured in parallel, which means that a 2.1Ω atty is really two 4.2Ω coils--so you have to calculate your wattage based on the 4.2Ω number--not 2.1Ω--roughly. Dual coil atties require more wattage than singles, but not quite twice as much. They produce more vapor due to increased surface. I usually increase the power (wattage) by ~50% when using dual coils; for example, if I like 6 watts with a single coil atty, I start at 8-9 watts with a dual coil atty. That's just my preference--YMMV. When in doubt--start low and adjust up as needed.

If you are interested in high wattage (and/or sub-ohm)vaping, that's a different conversation altogether--and not my area of expertise.

Experiment and you'll find your own bliss in no time!

The chart below is a good guide to safe vaping, even though some think it's a bit conservative.

Here's a bit more information on the subject of ohms and and watts and volts:[/QUOTE]

 

[Rat2chat2]

thx all...happy to be here
and rat2chat...u are correct in general...nic has a big influance with throat hit and i get when u say u have no worries about nicotine but still...it cant be good to give the body to much of something(vitamin C/calcium/Caffeine etc... is great for u but u can still be poisend/harm the body with to much)....i have read about poeple vaping 0 mg nicotine e-juices and are still greatly enjoying thier vaping.
fyi...the case wher a young child died of e-juice Digestion cousing a nicotine poisenning happend in israel(1 of reasons vaping is mainly(not 100% non legal but still) not allowed by my Government).
the way i see it....vaping is the best replacment for "real" cigarets...health and money wise...why not find a way to make it PERFECT

I just meant that if you take in to much nic, your body will tell you because you will get sick on your stomach and a headache. Even CASAA states on its brochure that nicotine is no more harmful than caffeine. That is all. I know to much of anything is bad for you. Of course there are bunches of 0 nic people that enjoy vaping. I have no plans to reduce nic. In fact, I just raised mine and love it. I also keep a even higher nic that I call my "reserve nerve" juice. Pretty sure it has help my family many times.

Was sad to read about the child. It was completely unnecessary for this to happen. Any drug or chemical should always be safely stored. It was the parents responsibility and really just common sense. So sorry that this happened to anyone.

 

[chiboboom]

roger that ryedan...thx for info...ill try that

 

[chiboboom]

hey again people
new vaping habbits:
mod:eleaf istick(YEA BABY!!)
clearomizer:kangertech aerotank mini(YEA BABY!!)
atomizer:kangertech dual coil 1.5 ohm(it shows 1.6 placed on the mod)
e-juice:joyetech desert 16mg nic.
heres the new deal i have
at the 1st day i got the mod and aeortank with the joyetech e-juice all was PERFECT!!...the power used to vape was(is still) easy as normal breathing(no more feel like popoing my eyes out with every draw) and taste along with TH was just the way i wanted it to be all along,thing is...ever since the 2nd day of use i feel like i lost the TH i had and i find myself vaping more couse of that...anybody can think of a reason??
i tryed using the other 1.5 coil that comes with the aerotank set and its same feeling(no TH),also i increased the wattage almost to the point of burnt taste and yet it didnt change the minimal TH i got and played with air flow also with no use.
its driving me nuts!! ...
i realy hope 1 of u can help me understand the reason.

 

[chiboboom]

and thx alot for katya and rat2chat about your posts that i have missed and just noticed them(wierd that i saw rayedens post befor yours as it seems yours came 1st) and yes rat...parents only blame!!...but...unfortunatly it made its impact against vaping in israel in general

 

[beez0527]

A touch of menthol or an "ice" flavoring can give great throat hits . I vape a cinnamon juice and when i want that extra tingle in the throat i keep a bottle of 0mg menthol and add a drop to my atty and it curbs the TH feeling. Also welcome to the community.

 

[chiboboom]

thx beez
can u give me a mesur of the "drop"??
do u need to get to a point u taste the menthol or use just a bit and not notice the menthol taste?