New Kanger coil design- Bleh!

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Lolli

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Is it just me or do the new Kanger coils mute the flavor of juice? I know all about the rebuilding and flavor wicks but I liked being able to use the first round out of the box :(
It seems the new plastic insulators as opposed to the rubber could be the culprit.
Anyone else experiencing this?

Maybe it IS just me and I am coming down with the dreaded vape toungue.... noooooo!
 

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What I've found is that where many people report a "muted" taste, that the taste is muted because the silica wick is feeding off too much of its own flavors (silica does have a flavor when exposed to heat and vaporization, just like polyfil) which can really diminish a juice or even cause a juice to taste fishy or salty. It seems a lot of people can't really pinpoint when this is happening, as the human tongue is genetically varied and some tongues can taste certain chemicals and flavors, where others can't, but I happen to be one of the people that can always taste the wicky layer when it does happen, and it always seems to correlate with a flavor that's not coming through much at all, or tastes funky.

Why this wicky flavor happens (even if someone can't taste it in particular) is because of simple bad coil builds, or sometimes if the wick isn't getting enough juice. I find that the Protanks usually wick pretty well, and wick perfectly with both a flavor wick removed and an airflow controller set to almost cutting off all of the airflow, but I find that the Kanger coils in general may have a lot of hotspots or microshorts that cause a part of the coil to pretty much heat the silica tremendously in comparison to other parts of it's surface area, really causing a layer of this flavor to come through. Other culprits could possibly be the rubber/silicone leg grommets.

I've never personally been able to avoid this extremely muted, and very wicky, flavor with the Kanger heads, and I tried about 15 of them in a row, trying all sorts of manipulations and tests. I personally just don't have much faith in coils that aren't wrapped like micro-coils as there's really all sorts of variance they can present, and a microcoil will pretty much perform unilaterally from center outward. Cisco seem to build coils in their dripping atties that are either microcoils or designed to mimick the positives of a micro coil, and I had a tremendous flavor experience with those atties, no feedoff from the wick and a full, juicy, solid taste.

Also, some juices and coil problems can cause a juice to gunk up almost instantly, like in a minute, so this can also reduce flavors completely, though this usually correlates more to a burnt (black) or lightly ashy taste to the tongue that can sense it.

There can be a lot of problems in the vaping field, and the worst news is that sometimes, these companies will put out thousands and thousands of heads that are really all just bunk, and hundreds and thousands of people will get bad heads in the process. Aspire is having this problem right now (%95 of the people who try the Aspire are getting wicky, funky, harsh tastes) and Boge had this same problem recently too. Sadly, the only true way to avoid it is investing time into trying to learn how to build your own coils in an RDA - beyond machine oil and dust in some RDA's that you have to clean out, there's really no outside factors like rubber grommets or anything that can effect the performance of an RDA - it's really just you and the coil.
 
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Okay, not sure how I can follow post #6, that car didn't just swerve around in it's lane, it's on a winding road in another country.

Anyway OP, I have received 10 packs of 5 PT2 heads in the last few weeks. There's been a mix of materials in the heads with some having the original opaque white rubber grommets and others having the "newer" translucent (milky) grommets which BTW are much softer than the originals. These "new" material grommets are supposed to withstand higher heat and if they truly are silicone then they should. I think there's a giant bin that the grommets are in at the factory and they just dumped the new materials in with the old, stirred it up a little and for the next few months they're going to show up mixed.

Now what any of this has to do with your current taste issues, I will be honest, I have no idea, post #6 tried to say something about it but I got lost after the first sentence. Personally I haven't fired a stock Kanger coil in two months, I immediately disassemble them, rebuild them with micro's and cotton so what I'm tasting is nothing even close to the stock setup.

As for the proposed "silica" or "wicky" taste, well another forum member took one for the team, chewed on a piece of silica till there was nothing left and reported no taste. Now he's worried if it will pass because apparently to get the full effect he swallowed it. (< That last sentence is satirical comedy but he really did try to eat it.)
 
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What I've found is that where many people report a "muted" taste, that the taste is muted because the silica wick is feeding off too much of its own flavors (silica does have a flavor when exposed to heat and vaporization, just like polyfil) which can really diminish a juice or even cause a juice to taste fishy or salty. It seems a lot of people can't really pinpoint when this is happening, as the human tongue is genetically varied and some tongues can taste certain chemicals and flavors, where others can't, but I happen to be one of the people that can always taste the wicky layer when it does happen, and it always seems to correlate with a flavor that's not coming through much at all, or tastes funky.

Why this wicky flavor happens (even if someone can't taste it in particular) is because of simple bad coil builds, or sometimes if the wick isn't getting enough juice. I find that the Protanks usually wick pretty well, and wick perfectly with both a flavor wick removed and an airflow controller set to almost cutting off all of the airflow, but I find that the Kanger coils in general may have a lot of hotspots or microshorts that cause a part of the coil to pretty much heat the silica tremendously in comparison to other parts of it's surface area, really causing a layer of this flavor to come through. Other culprits could possibly be the rubber/silicone leg grommets.

I've never personally been able to avoid this extremely muted, and very wicky, flavor with the Kanger heads, and I tried about 15 of them in a row, trying all sorts of manipulations and tests. I personally just don't have much faith in coils that aren't wrapped like micro-coils as there's really all sorts of variance they can present, and a microcoil will pretty much perform unilaterally from center outward. Cisco seem to build coils in their dripping atties that are either microcoils or designed to mimick the positives of a micro coil, and I had a tremendous flavor experience with those atties, no feedoff from the wick and a full, juicy, solid taste.

Also, some juices and coil problems can cause a juice to gunk up almost instantly, like in a minute, so this can also reduce flavors completely, though this usually correlates more to a burnt (black) or lightly ashy taste to the tongue that can sense it.

There can be a lot of problems in the vaping field, and the worst news is that sometimes, these companies will put out thousands and thousands of heads that are really all just bunk, and hundreds and thousands of people will get bad heads in the process. Aspire is having this problem right now (%95 of the people who try the Aspire are getting wicky, funky, harsh tastes) and Boge had this same problem recently too. Sadly, the only true way to avoid it is investing time into trying to learn how to build your own coils in an RDA - beyond machine oil and dust in some RDA's that you have to clean out, there's really no outside factors like rubber grommets or anything that can effect the performance of an RDA - it's really just you and the coil.
%95 are reporting bad experiences with the Aspire? Back that up with some facts or head back to the troll hole. By the way, Boge's issues took place about a year ago...not recently. They've pretty much got it sorted out and their cartos are among the best available. Anymore BS you want to spew?
 
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Lol! So many threads about ProTank woes today - think it's something in the e-liquid? :D

most likely they stepped up production for the chinese new year and the quality drops off as they rush to fill the stockroom.. every year at this time vendors as well as customers try to overstock since china basically shuts down for a while.

in any case clearos suck lol
 

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Okay, not sure how I can follow post #6, that car didn't just swerve around in it's lane, it's on a winding road in another country.

Anyway OP, I have received 10 packs of 5 PT2 heads in the last few weeks. There's been a mix of materials in the heads with some having the original opaque white rubber grommets and others having the "newer" translucent (milky) grommets which BTW are much softer than the originals. These "new" material grommets are supposed to withstand higher heat and if they truly are silicone then they should. I think there's a giant bin that the grommets are in at the factory and they just dumped the new materials in with the old, stirred it up a little and for the next few months they're going to show up mixed.

Now what any of this has to do with your current taste issues, I will be honest, I have no idea, post #6 tried to say something about it but I got lost after the first sentence. Personally I haven't fired a stock Kanger coil in two months, I immediately disassemble them, rebuild them with micro's and cotton so what I'm tasting is nothing even close to the stock setup.

As for the proposed "silica" or "wicky" taste, well another forum member took one for the team, chewed on a piece of silica till there was nothing left and reported no taste. Now he's worried if it will pass because apparently to get the full effect he swallowed it. (< That last sentence is satirical comedy but he really did try to eat it.)

This makes sense to me... like I said, will roll with it and just rebuild
 

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What I've found is that where many people report a "muted" taste, that the taste is muted because the silica wick is feeding off too much of its own flavors (silica does have a flavor when exposed to heat and vaporization, just like polyfil) which can really diminish a juice or even cause a juice to taste fishy or salty. It seems a lot of people can't really pinpoint when this is happening, as the human tongue is genetically varied and some tongues can taste certain chemicals and flavors, where others can't, but I happen to be one of the people that can always taste the wicky layer when it does happen, and it always seems to correlate with a flavor that's not coming through much at all, or tastes funky.

Why this wicky flavor happens (even if someone can't taste it in particular) is because of simple bad coil builds, or sometimes if the wick isn't getting enough juice. I find that the Protanks usually wick pretty well, and wick perfectly with both a flavor wick removed and an airflow controller set to almost cutting off all of the airflow, but I find that the Kanger coils in general may have a lot of hotspots or microshorts that cause a part of the coil to pretty much heat the silica tremendously in comparison to other parts of it's surface area, really causing a layer of this flavor to come through. Other culprits could possibly be the rubber/silicone leg grommets.

I've never personally been able to avoid this extremely muted, and very wicky, flavor with the Kanger heads, and I tried about 15 of them in a row, trying all sorts of manipulations and tests. I personally just don't have much faith in coils that aren't wrapped like micro-coils as there's really all sorts of variance they can present, and a microcoil will pretty much perform unilaterally from center outward. Cisco seem to build coils in their dripping atties that are either microcoils or designed to mimick the positives of a micro coil, and I had a tremendous flavor experience with those atties, no feedoff from the wick and a full, juicy, solid taste.

Also, some juices and coil problems can cause a juice to gunk up almost instantly, like in a minute, so this can also reduce flavors completely, though this usually correlates more to a burnt (black) or lightly ashy taste to the tongue that can sense it.

There can be a lot of problems in the vaping field, and the worst news is that sometimes, these companies will put out thousands and thousands of heads that are really all just bunk, and hundreds and thousands of people will get bad heads in the process. Aspire is having this problem right now (%95 of the people who try the Aspire are getting wicky, funky, harsh tastes) and Boge had this same problem recently too. Sadly, the only true way to avoid it is investing time into trying to learn how to build your own coils in an RDA - beyond machine oil and dust in some RDA's that you have to clean out, there's really no outside factors like rubber grommets or anything that can effect the performance of an RDA - it's really just you and the coil.


Would like to add to what he/she said.
After getting my silica wicks, I always soak them in coca-cola for 24 hours, take them out, rinse them, and store them them.
When I set my taste wicks, I always unwind them a little. So 2 wicks into 4 smaller wicks...
Works good.
 

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%95 are reporting bad experiences with the Aspire? Back that up with some facts or head back to the troll hole. By the way, Boge's issues took place about a year ago...not recently. They've pretty much got it sorted out and their cartos are among the best available. Anymore BS you want to spew?

Not to argue or agree, I have absolutely no opinion on Aspire BDC's. However I have seen a couple of videos on Youtube from pretty well known reviewers that the aspire replacement heads are hit or miss...

Rip Tripper's
Aspire BDC Clearomizer - YouTube

Grimm Green
The Aspire BDC Hit and miss and miss - YouTube
 

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