New M40x Cartridge Design?

[stpeters]

I don't know if this has been posted before, so delete if needed.

I was trying to refill my M401 cartridges from Smoore. Smoking Liquid sometimes dripped out the bottom hole. I followed the advice of dripping down one side to no avail. Being the curious type, I watched the little vid about restuffing the carts and took one apart. Low and behold, I was looking at something totally unlike the pics I found in this forum. The inner cartridge is rather slender, and has no flat sides. It also has no little 'stem' on the bottom.

Instead, it has three 'wings' that hold it in the exact middle of the mouthpiece, with a matching 'wing' on the inside of the mouthpiece to space it off the bottom.

With this design you have to use the paperclip trick or syringe, or just take out the inner cart to refill. Gives it a great draw though, with no way for liquid to seep out of the mouthpiece.

 

[rsngfrce]

Very interesting! Anyone with the Evo, is this the new Evo style cart insert?

 

[Pikachu]

Wow that seems like it can hold more liquid than the normal M40X cartridges. Did you get those from absolutelyecigs?

 

[igetcha]

that definitely looks like a far better design!

 

[mawic5150]

I just got my first machine Thursday and noticed the same thing. Mine is a smoore 401 I got from absolutlycigs.

 

[SpaceCadet]

Sweeeeet! I haven't bought new Evo carts since I got the 25 with the black kit some weeks ago and they're nothing like that. Looks great!

 

[Fedor]

It looks like an interesting design but it does seem to me that this design would potentially cause more liquid in the mouth.

This one has 3 wings on the side, meaning that liquid has much more room to seep into the outer cart and into the mouth. My impression of the little stem on the bottom is to create a little more space for more air to vaporise the liquid.

Correct me if i'm wrong here.

 

[stpeters]

Yes, these were ordered for a Smoore M401 from absolutelyecigs.com.

It looks like an interesting design but it does seem to me that this design would potentially cause more liquid in the mouth.

This one has 3 wings on the side, meaning that liquid has much more room to seep into the outer cart and into the mouth. My impression of the little stem on the bottom is to create a little more space for more air to vaporise the liquid.

Correct me if i'm wrong here.

There still is a 'stem' to create space between the inner cart and mouthpiece. It is just permanently attached to the inside of the mouthpiece now.

You aren't getting how the capillary action would work. The liquid prefers a corner or 'edge' to seep along (ask any siding or roofing contractor about that). The wings do not start until 1/3 of the way down the cart. The top lip is at least 2MM from any other edge or surface. Hence no way for the cart - unless it is overfilled - to leak.

Try an experiment with one of your carts. Fill it up (with water) then hold it upside down being careful not to touch the open lip. The liquid happily stays inside due to surface tension & the batting. Now take a toothpick or staple and touch the open lip on the top (now on the bottom). You can get a nice stream of water going down the stick. If no 'edges' touch the lip, the fluid should stay inside the chamber. I think the longer, slender shape helps too

No liquid has got out, and I tried. I 'puffed' into the cig before dragging. I knocked it around alot. I even placed it upside down with a full cart for 5 minutes then took a drag. Clean as a whistle.

Someone should compare one of these to the old style and see which holds more liquid.

 

[SpaceCadet]

Ohhh, I want some! I get a terrible reaction when I get e-liquid in my mouth, my throat goes all tight and feels swollen up, it's awful.

 

[stpeters]

Ohhh, I want some! I get a terrible reaction when I get e-liquid in my mouth, my throat goes all tight and feels swollen up, it's awful.

I know from the packaging that abettersmoke.com is using Smoore kits. That fancy 'E' logo is the factory one. I would hazard that their carts would be the same that I got, if they ordered not too long ago.

Can we get a confirmation from puresmoker or abettersmoke as to if they have this new style of cart available?

Otherwise, you *can* get them from absolutelyecigs.com (the manufacturer). Shipping is EMS/USPS Express Mail combo and only takes a week. Have to get through customs though. YMMV.

 

[Fedor]

I know from the packaging that abettersmoke.com is using Smoore kits. That fancy 'E' logo is the factory one. I would hazard that their carts would be the same that I got, if they ordered not too long ago.

Can we get a confirmation from puresmoker or abettersmoke as to if they have this new style of cart available?

Otherwise, you *can* get them from absolutelyecigs.com (the manufacturer). Shipping is EMS/USPS Express Mail combo and only takes a week. Have to get through customs though. YMMV.

First of all, great post on explaining the new carts. Thanks for letting me learn something new. I mean it, thanks.

Don't worry bout customs even if you order large quantity of personal stash. Its 99.999% safe when it comes from EMS or HK Post.

 

[ed_bollix]

I have this cart in my KR808. None of my EVO's have anything but the 2 designs we already know about for those but i haven't received any new ones in a while. I have some 401's coming from the East Coast bulk buy and we will see what they have inside!

These carts in the 808 work really well though they are pretty small.

 

[jimgman]

i see what you are saying now(after the thorough explanation-cause i didnt understand after the first post), but i think the new problem it poses is that you will not be able to refill the cart by dripping down into it.there is just no way our aim is good enough to drip dead center every time, since all edges are open around the inner cart. i have a tendency to aim for the side away from the flat edge, and often bounce drops off the opposite side(which would now be an open hole). seems a paperclip would now be a requirement to topping off(which i rarely use). anyway, i wonder if it holds more than the original carts, and even the newer, larger evo carts. i'd love to try one.....

 

[Terraphon]

That's NOT an evo cart but I like it.

I think I'll order some of these and see how they work.

 

[hopllit]

I've got an M402 from Smoore with these carts. Sometimes when I have to draw stronger, e-liquid definitely gets in my mouth. I haven't try the older ones but I suspect they are better. These are holding maximum 5-6 drops and are producing less vapor and throat hit, compared to dripping for example. At first I thought that my M402 just wasn't that good, but with dripping it's simply amazing for such a small unit. I got to the conclusion that the problem is in the carts. The more experienced users will say if I am wrong. After all I am still a noob in e-smoking

 

[Terraphon]

I've got an M402 from Smoore with these carts. Sometimes when I have to draw stronger, e-liquid definitely gets in my mouth. I haven't try the older ones but I suspect they are better. These are holding maximum 5-6 drops and are producing less vapor and throat hit, compared to dripping for example. At first I thought that my M402 just wasn't that good, but with dripping it's simply amazing for such a small unit. I got to the conclusion that the problem is in the carts. The more experienced users will say if I am wrong. After all I am still a noob in e-smoking

Liquid in the mouth is extremely common with M-40X class e-cig cartridges. They are relatively small and people tend to overfill them.

As for the vapor and throat hit from cartridges, as opposed to dripping, it is my experience that both are very similar if your cartridges are filled and stuffed properly.

Of course, I don't use a 40X with this cartridge design...mine are evo cartridges.

 

[MisterPuck]

I just got my first machine Thursday and noticed the same thing. Mine is a smoore 401 I got from absolutlycigs.

I have a Smoore 401 that I got last week from the same place, all my carts are the old style.

 

[stpeters]

I have a Smoore 401 that I got last week from the same place, all my carts are the old style.

Black or brown carts MisterPuck?

Just refilled some of mine with Pure liquid (turkish blend - very nice and smooth) this morning. Only 6 drops you say? I got eight in mine, and they were not dry or empty. I filled them all the way to the top where the surface of the stuffing looked dark and saturated, with pauses between each drop.

Stopped up each one with the rubber stopper that comes with it, then put them in my case. Just popped one on and tried it. Seems to work fine, didn't get any juice in my mouth.

Maybe some people just pull too hard on this model? I take slow smooth drags, like when smoking a pipe. Halfway through the breath in, I take the cig out of my mouth and inhale the rest of the breath. Just like a pipe or when you inhale a cigar.

I get plenty of smoke, it takes two exhales to get it all out of my lungs. Smoking this like a typical cigarette (sharp quick pull to get a mouth full of smoke, play with smoke while it cools down, then hard inhale followed by strong exhale) would be a bit counter-productive I think...

 

[stpeters]

Oops, correction. Six drops is the right fill level, not eight. Second refilled cart gave me a nice bit of juice after the first few drags. After that the atomizer was actually sizzling on each drag so I think it overloaded the mesh.

 

[hopllit]

Well I try to draw slow and easy and when the cart is new and there is lots of liquid it's easy, but when the liquid goes lower the drag has to be stronger to even activate the battery. Its weird lots of liquid = very easy activation of the battery, less liquid = stronger draws to activate. Maybe it's just mine. Dunno