New member. Need help with Stingray

[tayone415]

Here is some reading for you.

If you decide to look in to Sony batteries and want to learn how to be safe.


How to spot a fake Sony VTC5 battery

Ohm's law | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

Battery drain | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ures-serious-battery-failure-imr-18650-a.html

Definition of a hard short

Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected ICR?
- choose the safest and right battery for your applications here. Includes a list of name brand, high-drain, safe-chemistry batteries with mAh & amp ratings in 18350, 18490/18500, and 18650 sizes.

Rechargeable Batteries
- blog post on the preferred chemistry of batteries for mods by our forum administrator and resident battery expert Rolygate.


Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries pt 1
- what do the letters & numbers on batteries mean? What's the difference between ICR, IMR, and hybrid batteries?

Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries pt 2
- protected vs unprotected batteries, what is Ohm's Law, inline battery fuses, what is an AW battery, stacking batteries.


Technical: Why High Drain Batteries?
- technical explanation on why high drain batteries are required for a regulated VV/VW battery device.

Question for the Tech Engineers at Provape
- explanation of battery amp limits, internal resistance, and battery chemistry pertaining to regulated VV/VW mods.

Battery Specifications and Calculators
- self explanatory.


How to Use Your Multimeter

Video on How to Use Your Multimeter

Ohm's Law Calculator


Information Resources for Your First RBA

Mechanical Mod Proper Useage Guide

 

[snork]

Now about the Stingray...
My girlfriend also fell in love with the clouds these things can make, and decided she should get one for herself. We went to the local Vape shop (Tex-Smoke) just to get an idea of how much a complete setup would cost. Well, we (me, my parents, and little brother) are really cool with the guy, so since his wife just got a Manhattan, he offered us her Stingray for $45. Couldn't pass that up, so we bought it plus some batteries and a charger. This things hits very smooth. My brother helped us build it to 0.1ohms using single coils with, I believe, 4 wraps on 24awg kanthal.

Just to chime in - I'm not sure I'd really be cool with the guy in the vape shop, a cool guy wouldn't have sold such an unsafe piece of crap for any price.

 

[Kaezziel]

Holy Crap on a Cracker!!

I just read through this thread....
Thanks and props to Susan, Elvis, CreepyLady, Sis, and Tayone for all of the awesome and necessary advice!!
Huge Props to Elvis for the P. Busardo vid!!

Every time I think I can't be surprised by insane builds and lack of vital information.... I get surprised AGAIN!!

Rooster... Toss that Stingray and strip down that Panzer... go out and pick up a couple of MVP2's or even the 50 watt IVP2's... build some new coils at about 1.2 ohms, crank up the wattage and vape hard but still safely! Nobody wants to be a statistic, man....

 

[tayone415]

I would advise you to have your brother read this thread and other links given about sub ohm building for his own safety. Second I would never go back to that shop and would recommend people I knew against supporting their business. Luckily all your girlfriend had happen was burning her hand on the spring. Just something to remember if one day you ever get a mechanical mod....you can blow clouds safely, but you can never chase clouds safely, and just having the lowest ohms possible, doesn't mean you're going to get bigger clouds than someone at safe ohms, that knows how to build safer and more efficient coils.

 

[tayone415]

To help with coil building

Coil wrapping | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

PV Web Apps

Ohm's law | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators

 

[nukleusx]

FWIW I picked up a stingray yesterday... Well Wednesday now, and b&m employee asked me what build I wanted to put on it. Handed her my Tobh with .15 build in it (dual coil 22ga) and she strongly suggested I choose another build to use with it.

My guess is as simple as obvious common sense and pretty much everything that has been said before me in this thread.

Great info everyone, I have only been here a couple days and I love the helpfulness. Reminds me of all my time spent loitering and learning at the b&m I hang at.

 

[tayone415]

FWIW I picked up a stingray yesterday... Well Wednesday now, and b&m employee asked me what build I wanted to put on it. Handed her my Tobh with .15 build in it (dual coil 22ga) and she strongly suggested I choose another build to use with it.

My guess is as simple as obvious common sense and pretty much everything that has been said before me in this thread.

Great info everyone, I have only been here a couple days and I love the helpfulness. Reminds me of all my time spent loitering and learning at the b&m I hang at.

So what build did you end up with and what battery are you using in your mod?

 

[insaneredrooster]

The batteries she has are Orbtronix SX30. 18650 IMR 3.7V 2100mAh 30amp.

Why do you guys think the Stingray is crap? Besides it missing that bottom piece, there's nothing wrong with it. How do you know a battery vented in it? The inside is clean. The guy at the shop didn't do the build, I did.

I haven't had time to read all of those links, so I got one of those Ohm's law apps, plugged in the voltage and amperage ratings of the batteries, saw the resistance number and aimed to build above that.

So if I'm doing this right, the absolute lowest resistance I can safely do is 0.123 ohms? I know it's best to stay away from that number. But I don't need to be at like 1.8, right? I did a 0.61ohm build. It's not hitting like used to, but I do feel a lot better about it.

For the Panzer, I went to 0.26ohms. I'm using those purple Efest batteries on it (18650 35amp 3.7V).

I do appreciate everyone's input by the way.

 

[tayone415]

The batteries she has are Orbtronix SX30. 18650 IMR 3.7V 2100mAh 30amp.

Why do you guys think the Stingray is crap? Besides it missing that bottom piece, there's nothing wrong with it. How do you know a battery vented in it? The inside is clean. The guy at the shop didn't do the build, I did.

I haven't had time to read all of those links, so I got one of those Ohm's law apps, plugged in the voltage and amperage ratings of the batteries, saw the resistance number and aimed to build above that.

So if I'm doing this right, the absolute lowest resistance I can safely do is 0.123 ohms? I know it's best to stay away from that number. But I don't need to be at like 1.8, right? I did a 0.61ohm build. It's not hitting like used to, but I do feel a lot better about it.

For the Panzer, I went to 0.26ohms. I'm using those purple Efest batteries on it (18650 35amp 3.7V).

I do appreciate everyone's input by the way.

Ok so .123 ohms is already above 30 amps so it's not really a safe build. No you don't have to be at 1.8 ohms, you can sub ohm but do it safely. Just an FYI the 35 amp Efest battery is only a 20 amp continuous battery NOT 35 even though you see 35 amps on the battery wrapper.

From the picture you posted the Stingray and the dripper both looked burned. Even if it wasn't you still paid too much for a used clone in that condition.

Do you know what version of the Stingray it was supposed to be and why it all looks burnt?

 

[CreepyLady]

Ok so .123 ohms is already above 30 amps so it's not really a safe build. No you don't have to be at 1.8 ohms, you can sub ohm but do it safely. Just an FYI the 35 amp Efest battery is only a 20 amp continuous battery NOT 35 even though you see 35 amps on the battery wrapper.

From the picture you posted the Stingray and the dripper both looked burned. Even if it wasn't you still paid too much for a used clone in that condition.

Do you know what version of the Stingray it was supposed to be and why it all looks burnt?

This^^ Especially want to reiterate the efest is 20 amp continuous and WHY is it burnt?

Also- want to add, stay within 75% of your max C rating to allow yourself head room and space for a margin of error.

 

[insaneredrooster]

Whatever that stuff is on the outside of the Stingray, it scrapes off easily. It's all a blueish greenish color. The dripper isn't burnt.

The shop guy mentioned something about patina.

 

[insaneredrooster]

How do I determine this C rating? I remember reading something about it somewhere...

 

[tayone415]

The C rating:

https://www.commonsenserc.com/page.php?page=c_ratings_explained.html

http://www.steam-engine.org/batt.asp





Looking at that picture....yes I can tell there's patina happening, but the dark black marks really doesn't look like patina, it looks burnt, is there a texture to it, where it feels different then the rest of the mod?

 

[tayone415]

Also your stingray should of came with magnets instead of a spring

 

[thmstwwng]

From the look of the photo, that is not a stingray. JD stingray doesn't use a spring.

This is a breakdown of a stingray.

The front roll 5 piece is the firing button.
I use to have the firing problem but I took it apart, clean it, and put it back together then it's fine.

Hello, fellow vapers!

I guess I'll do some sort of intro. I started with a "pen-style" ecig some time early this year. Bought a couple more, and puffed on those for a while. My little brother then introduced me to mechanical mods. I was fascinated by the clouds those things could make, so when he asked if I could take him to Vape Blast in San Antonio, I told him I'd trade him a tank of gas for one of his prized possessions; a copper Panzer clone (I'm new to all of this, so bear with me on the correct terminology). I had always loved hitting this mod, and it looks badass.

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This is the build I currently have on it. Double coils (?) with five wraps using 22awg kanthal. Puts it at 0.08 ohms.
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Although school is my priority, I want to learn more about these mods. Any advice/tips/informative links would be appreciated.

Now about the Stingray...
My girlfriend also fell in love with the clouds these things can make, and decided she should get one for herself. We went to the local Vape shop (Tex-Smoke) just to get an idea of how much a complete setup would cost. Well, we (me, my parents, and little brother) are really cool with the guy, so since his wife just got a Manhattan, he offered us her Stingray for $45. Couldn't pass that up, so we bought it plus some batteries and a charger. This things hits very smooth. My brother helped us build it to 0.1ohms using single coils with, I believe, 4 wraps on 24awg kanthal.

The only issue is that the guy's wife decided to get rid of the locking mechanism, so the spring (which gets hot and has burned my gf) is exposed, and, obviously, there's no way to lock it. We've been Googling like crazy trying to find a replacement but have had no luck. I really want to fix this on hers because I don't like that she gets burned and it can't lock. Help please!

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[Slooooters]

Yep, that look like an exploded mod he sold you. That would be burnt battery acid you are trying to scrape off. That is not a patina.

 

[Slooooters]

This chart is helpful for determining ohm limits for batteries
http://s67.photobucket.com/user/Technonut/media/EG8t7C0_zps55214e7e.jpg.html

 

[ozen]

This chart is helpful for determining ohm limits for batteries

The charts too small to look at, can you upload a better ones?

 

[Susan~S]

The charts too small to look at, can you upload a better ones?

If you click on the link, it will open the page in a larger size that is readable.

 

[xxJollyRogerxx]

Just an FYI, I have seen the chart before but yea when i open it (by clicking on it) it is still too small to read properly