With a new President, a friendly Senate, and hopefully new FDA commissioners, how should we all proceed?
FDA New President, New Hope?
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Same train
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Hurray for the new engineer!
In before this is moved to the outside.
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Same train
Same track
Hurray for the new engineer!
In before this is moved to the outside.
Cheers
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I would think there will be a change of guard in the FDA which should help us.
Califf and Zeller (FDA) and Burwell (HHS) should be looking for new jobs soon...
The Upcoming Election and the FDA: The First 100 Days
Maybe they can find an opening in a vape shop?
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No way this thread should be moved to the Outside.
This is a very legitimate question, with very real consequences.
I say let the games begin.
Califf and Zeller (FDA) and Burwell (HHS) should be looking for new jobs soon...
The Upcoming Election and the FDA: The First 100 Days
Maybe they can find an opening in a vape shop?
EDITED TO ADD:
No way this thread should be moved to the Outside.
This is a very legitimate question, with very real consequences.
I say let the games begin.
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While far from certain, I think the new Republican influence in the Legislative and Executive branches of the government have a chance of changing vaping regulations for the better, for the domestic vaping community and industry. Poor old Big Tobacco might not have that government protected monopoly after all.
My strategy is get rid of every incumbent who hasn't done something courageous for vaping (that I heard about0 no matter what else they might have done. May be the new guy will be more receptive to different ideas. I am a cold hearted single issue voter this time. I voted for Trump because, if I have to be miserable, I want company. My favorite thing about Trump is everybody in government loathes him. Can Trump handle the job? I decided to ignore that issue.
As long as this thread can stay on the subject of vaping, and not go off on political tangents, it can stay here.
If it does start going off in another direction, if it can't be brought back to vaping, it will get moved.
It will be an interesting 4 years and hopefully, a few vape friendly Republicans will actually help us.
If it does start going off in another direction, if it can't be brought back to vaping, it will get moved.
It will be an interesting 4 years and hopefully, a few vape friendly Republicans will actually help us.
I'm assuming congress won't pass a budget during this years lame duck session, preferring to wait for the new president. So we have some time to lobby hard for a bill along the lines of Cole-Bishop to be passed next year.
How about launching a social media campaign? Our new president reads alot of twitter.
How about launching a social media campaign? Our new president reads alot of twitter.
Actually someone that really understands the business and science ends needs to put together a letter to Trump laying out the over reach of the FDA. The cost to the small businesses, jobs etc of the suppliers and vape shops that will close. The good studies that are out now on harm reduction and use in smoking reduction.
Last I knew he was big on nailing government overreach into regulations that harm small businesses and probably would love to stick one in the eye of the FDA.
You might get him on the business end, but this is a man who thinks climate change is a Chinese hoax, so maybe not on the science end.
He is also anti smoking. In the end if he goes after what they are doing to the businesses it at least gets us a foot in the door to save vaping.
Just for fun, I nominate Bill Godshall to replace Mitch Zeller as Director of Tobacco Control Unit and Greg Conley as FDA chief..... :- )
Found this encouraging.... go to a minute in, for about a minute
I emailed the Senator about eliminating the Deeming...
Much of the "science" on climate change is as junky as the "science" on ecigarettes. One hint of this is how both activists groups try to shut down any discussion or dissent on the topic where critical comments on web pages are scrubbed and only certain 'true believers' get to participate in seminars and discussion groups. And 'consensus is used most often rather than science. Consensus is the opposite of science.
Much like papers published in peer reviewed journals on vaping, you need to look at the methods and consider agenda. In both cases, when to entire volume of science on the subject is considered the findings are pretty clear. In both cases the "hoaxers" backpedal, keep referring to single studies the have been debunked by more complete research, and are funded by organizations with a stake in the outcome of the research. If you are educated enough to understand the methods, data, and analysis, have read actual research and not a media interpretations, it is difficult to not understand human caused climate change is a real problem that is occurring with a solution that grows larger in cost the longer the problem is denied.
Long read and off topic to vaping, but this is what finished changing my previously skeptical mind on global warming. Plus like David Goerlitz and Tom Miller another example of someone switching sides when the truth hits them.
Former President of Greenpeace Scientifically Rips Climate Change to Shreds
Search for the phrase "Keeling curve" if you want to skip the background.
Thanks for posting the Morning Joe segment, @Kent C . I think Mr. Paul is correct: regulatory overreach and its impact on small business (not to mention the constitutionality questions) will be the best pathway to repeal and replace. After months of banging my head against a wall, I'm reenergized - at least, somewhat. Congratulatory emails, with a reasoned plea to repeal the deeming regs, are in order.
Sometimes you have to dance with the one that brought you.
Sometimes you have to dance with the one that brought you.
A Republican majority... who'd have thunk it? Now I can't help but wonder if Nicopure shouldn't have waited before filing suit. If the Judge rules in favor of the FDA it means congress will have to intervene. And they are going to be busy on other things for quite some time.
I agree with the sentiment that it's time to get busy again notifying congressional members. And now that Ron Johnson has squeaked through for another term I'd challenge my vaping Wisconsin brethren to hold him accountable for his chest-thumping antics and follow through with his "demand for FDA answers". Let's see if this was all election rhetoric.
I agree with the sentiment that it's time to get busy again notifying congressional members. And now that Ron Johnson has squeaked through for another term I'd challenge my vaping Wisconsin brethren to hold him accountable for his chest-thumping antics and follow through with his "demand for FDA answers". Let's see if this was all election rhetoric.
I don't think the science is junky, but I do think it's debatable what can be done to mitigate it, at this point.
Too big of a topic for here, but if you want to be informed, read both sides as I have. Here's a good start:
https://www.amazon.com/Politically-...+Guide+to+Global+Warming+and+Environmentalism
"For decades, environmentalism has been the Left's best excuse for increasing government control over our actions in ways both large and small. It's for Mother Earth! It's for the children! It's for the whales! But until now, the doomsday-scenario environmental scares they've trumped up haven't been large enough to justify the lifestyle restrictions they want to impose. With global warming, however, greenhouse gasbags can argue that auto emissions in Ohio threaten people in Paris, and that only "global governance" (Jacques Chirac's words) can tackle such problems."
Millions of people are asking themselves how this new president will effect their cause, including us vapers. Trump says he's going after corruption. If there are risks associated with vaping (or the climate) we should pay attention. But what helped get Trump elected is a lot of people besides vapers are disgusted by the way science is abused by politicians to manipulate the conversation for causes not related to vaping (or the climate). If Trump pushes the conversation to include more points of view, instead of trying to manipulate us, that might be a good. We wouldn't be talking about this if Hillary won the election. She's just 4 more years of what we've had.
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