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Hi, @Josh cranston,

I would say no. Look, You can vape what you like on whatever you like, but know that the Mutation Xv4 can be a leaker due to the bottom-fed airflow, and if it does leak it will go right down into the button on the iStick. The button is directly underneath where you atty would be. Leaking isn't always so terrible, but for iSticks, the leaking could cause your device some issues.

Yes, I had this exact atty and know about those little plugs for the bottom-fed airflow, but I wouldn't rely too heavily on those little boogers because they are a major PITA to deal with and can be so easily lost it'll make your head spin!

p.s. Plenty of people are happy with their Mutations Xv4s though.

p.p.s Welcome to the forum!!!!!!
 
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I was thinking about getting a Mutation X v4 for an IPV4, but I'm a little concerned about the leaking now! Haha! Thanks for the heads up, Mr. Mann.

Probably wouldn't be an issue, but I don't blame you.

Once again, anyone can vape how they want, but I think the whole bottom-fed airflow is being overdone these days. The major problem is that without deep juice wells (like the Magma or even the Cigreen Holmes), you will have to re-drip often (if it's not set-up for squonking), and the more you have to drip the more chance you may end up over-dripping. Again, leaking isn't so bad on its face, but if your mod is not sealed up tightly, the liquid can get into your electronics and may cause you problems (that is if you are using an electronic device).
 
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Hi, @Josh cranston,

I would say no. Look, You can vape what you like on whatever you like, but know that the Mutation Xv4 can be a leaker due to the bottom-fed airflow, and if it does leak it will go right down into the button on the iStick. The button is directly underneath where you atty would be. Leaking isn't always so terrible, but for iSticks, the leaking could cause your device some issues.

Yes, I had this exact atty and know about those little plugs for the bottom-fed airflow, but I wouldn't rely too heavily on those little boogers because they are a major PITA to deal with and can be so easily lost it'll make your head spin!

p.s. Plenty of people are happy with their Mutations Xv4s though.

p.p.s Welcome to the forum!!!!!!
Thanks bro, ill have a look around. Tge inly reason i was considering getting it is because i talked to a few people and they said it would be good for a beginer
 

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Thanks bro, ill have a look around. Tge inly reason i was considering getting it is because i talked to a few people and they said it would be good for a beginner

Lawd ha' mercy. The things people say. :laugh: You are in the right place now.

Don't rush.

Take notes.

Make sure you know a device as well as you possibly can before you buy it. Some things you would rather not be a surprise. Ya' dig? ;) Remember, the hard work really has already been done for you.
 

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I was excited about the Mutation X v4 lol. I'm looking for a pretty heavy airflow RDA with relatively deep juice wells. Every RDA seems to claim good airflow, but there are some that have the tightest draw imaginable lol.

Oh, don't let my minimal respect for that atty sway you on that tip! That atty has the greatest airflow I've ever used. Too bad that didn't help its flaws.
 

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Thanks bro, ill have a look around. Tge inly reason i was considering getting it is because i talked to a few people and they said it would be good for a beginer

Every site I buy stuff off of has something like this on every rda/rta...

Important Notes:


**Please note that this is an advanced vaping device. DO NOT purchase if you are not comfortable or experienced with this. There are no returns on this product including claims that the included coils are faulty. If you are not comfortable with this arrangement we would urge you to instead purchase one of our other cartomizer products, not in this advanced section. Thanks for your cooperation and understanding!


Rebuildable atomizer coils and wicks have known risks.

Rebuildables are ONLY FOR USE BY EXPERTS, NOT BEGINNER OR INTERMEDIATE VAPER WITH NO MULTIMETER OR MULTIMETER EXPERIENCE. Expert users must own a multimeter, know how to properly use a multimeter, or how electronic devices intricately function. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK
 

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It's a good atty, but...well, what are you vaping on now? What was your last set-up prior to this one?
Only rda I have right now is magma. I'll be honest. Looking for something new to get. Something easily to wick. I also have a subtank mini. Wanna get a tank that runs good at high wattage. Might buy a delta II. Looking to see what you say Mann. I know you know your stuff.
 

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Only rda I have right now is magma. I'll be honest. Looking for something new to get. Something easily to wick. I also have a subtank mini. Wanna get a tank that runs good at high wattage. Might buy a delta II. Looking to see what you say Mann. I know you know your stuff.

I know my stuff, yes, but that's not saying much. Hell, I don't even know if I know all of my own stuff. LOL

What is your price range? Authentic or clone? If clone, I can't advise because it's such a crap-shoot. For clearos, I would not recommend the Delta II ( ad yes, I have one -- don't want it either). If capacity isn't an issue, go for the Herakles (about ~3 mL or thereabout) since you can find it cheaper, but if you want a larger capacity and don't mind the looks of this ugly duckling, go with the Freemax Starre or wait to find a Crown by Uwell (mine should be here soon). The Delta II has had it's day AFAIAC.

For drippers, it gets a whole lot more tricky. Easy to wick? That's generally going to be the same across attys unless you are dealing with an atty that is set-up for vertical coils or just some exotic build. Do you care what an atty looks like? Does huge vapor matter? Are you a flavor chaser?
 

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I know my stuff, yes, but that's not saying much. Hell, I don't even know if I know all of my own stuff. LOL

What is your price range? Authentic or clone? If clone, I can't advise because it's such a crap-shoot. For clearos, I would not recommend the Delta II ( ad yes, I have one -- don't want it either). If capacity isn't an issue, go for the Herakles (about ~3 mL or thereabout) since you can find it cheaper, but if you want a larger capacity and don't mind the looks of this ugly duckling, go with the Freemax Starre or wait to find a Crown by Uwell (mine should be here soon). The Delta II has had it's day AFAIAC.

For drippers, it gets a whole lot more tricky. Easy to wick? That's generally going to be the same across attys unless you are dealing with an atty that is set-up for vertical coils or just some exotic build. Do you care what an atty looks like? Does huge vapor matter? Are you a flavor chaser?
I kinda want a balance between a flavor and clouds and why I want to
Get plume veil. My price point is .... so I'll probably go for a clone. My infinite magma works pretty well. I meant easier to wick as in a flat deck. I find it hard to get a magma to wick up. That's just me being dumb probably. I would get herakles but I want an rta. I wanna get a lemo but hear you have to unscrew it to fill it. Sorry I'm being so picky. Thanks for the advice. Never said you were an expert but you have decent experience. I of course could maybe throw you pointers sometimes lol. I have had my good and bad moments. I'm just always looking to progress my vaping experience.
 
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I kinda want a balance between a flavor and clouds and why I want to
Get plume veil. My price point is **** so I'll probably go for a clone. My infinite magma works pretty well. I meant easier to wick as in a flat deck. I find it hard to get a magma to wick up. That's just me being dumb probably. I would get herakles but I want an rta. I wanna get a lemo but hear you have to unscrew it to fill it. Sorry I'm being so picky. Thanks for the advice. Never said you were an expert but you have decent experience. I of course could maybe throw you pointers sometimes lol. I have had my good and bad moments. I'm just always looking to progress my vaping experience.

Okay, if you want one that has an RTA then the Delta II would suit your needs, but man that wicking on there can be a persnickety ....... if you don't. If I keep mine I may mod the head (got dremel?). Have you heard of the OBS T-VCT? I don't have it, but to my understanding it's supposed to be a good tank and the manufacturer told me (actually sent me a pic) of the RBA head that is supposedly already available (but not exactly easy to find -- just yet).

And you may want to wait a few days and read the reports about the new Subtank. It's got new features, so it is supposed to be able to go much higher in watts! And if it's good, for ~$59 you can get that plus a 50w mod. But, I'd keep checking the early users of it to see if it's a bust.

As far as RDAs go, if you have a low budget (and I can understand that), you don't necessarily need to go clone. But if you would feel more comfortable with the lowest possible entry fee, I think a Plume Veil would be fine. There's so many choices, but that should do you just fine. It is a good atty!
 

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Okay, if you want one that has an RTA then the Delta II would suit your needs, but man that wicking on there can be a persnickety ******* if you don't. If I keep mine I may mod the head (got dremel?). Have you heard of the OBS T-VCT? I don't have it, but to my understanding it's supposed to be a good tank and the manufacturer told me (actually sent me a pic) of the RBA head that is supposedly already available (but not exactly easy to find -- just yet).

And you may want to wait a few days and read the reports about the new Subtank. It's got new features, so it is supposed to be able to go much higher in watts! And if it's good, for ~$59 you can get that plus a 50w mod. But, I'd keep checking the early users of it to see if it's a bust.

As far as RDAs go, if you have a low budget (and I can understand that), you don't necessarily need to go clone. But if you would feel more comfortable with the lowest possible entry fee, I think a Plume Veil would be fine. There's so many choices, but that should do you just fine. It is a good atty!
Isn't a real plume veil like 100 bucks. That's why I want mutation v4. And so you're saying delta ii premade coils suck but it's feasible to rebuild it?
 

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Isn't a real plume veil like 100 bucks. That's why I want mutation v4. And so you're saying delta ii premade coils suck but it's feasible to rebuild it?


I didn't finish my thought. My apologies. I meant to say, if you want to buy a clone then a Plume Veil clone would be a fine. I haven't owned one, but a friend had the clone and let me use it. It was good.

This video has the exact same take I had on the Mutation X v4.

The Delta II premade coils don't suck, but the whole tank just (to me) can be wonky at times, and unnecessarily so. I prefer to rebuild if there is a RTA for the tank. You can get it right with the RBA head, but there is small margin of error to get it right.

On second thought, if you feel you want a Mutation X v4, I say go for it. It'll likely be on your mind until you do get one (that's how it was for me. I just had to see for myself!). It's not a bad atty at all, just not for me. It was strictly a cloud atty IMO unless you build some non-standard coils like claptons or zipper.
 
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I didn't finish my thought. My apologies. I meant to say, if you want to buy a clone then a Plume Veil clone would be a fine. I haven't owned one, but a friend had the clone and let me use it. It was good.

This video has the exact same take I had on the Mutation X v4.

The Delta II premade coils don't suck, but the whole tank just (to me) can be wonky at times, and unnecessarily so. I prefer to rebuild if there is a RTA for the tank. You can get it right with the RBA head, but there is small margin of error to get it right.

On second thought, if you feel you want a Mutation X v4, I say go for it. It'll likely be on your mind until you do get one (that's how it was for me. I just had to see for myself!). It's not a bad atty at all, just not for me. It was strictly a cloud atty IMO unless you build some non-standard coils like claptons or zipper.
Are you try to sell your mutation then?
 
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