New "study" shows TC fundamentalists know they're loosing

[DrMA]

Having realized the lucrative tobacco ConTrol racket has been brought to an imminent end by the advent of harmless vaping;

And having finally gotten thru their thick skulls the notion that their glib antivaping agitprop is wholly ineffective;

The TC terrorist network attempts to salvage their parasitic, hateful jobs by calling for a draw.

NEVER! We will accept nothing short of unconditional surrender, full confessions for the atrocities they've committed, ICC prosecutions for the cult leaders, and compensation in material & punitive damages for the fraud and crimes against humanity we've endured at their hands for the past 50 years.

https://m.ntr.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2015/11/13/ntr.ntv241.abstract

 

[Jman8]

Hear hear!

 

[nicnik]

Having realized the lucrative Tobacco ConTrol racket has been brought to an imminent end by the advent of harmless vaping;

And having finally gotten thru their thick skulls the notion that their glib antivaping agitprop is wholly ineffective;

The TC terrorist network attempts to salvage their parasitic, hateful jobs by calling for a draw.

NEVER! We will accept nothing short of unconditional surrender, full confessions for the atrocities they've committed, ICC prosecutions for the cult leaders, and compensation in material & punitive damages for the fraud and crimes against humanity we've endured at their hands for the past 50 years.

https://m.ntr.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2015/11/13/ntr.ntv241.abstract

Paywall! They want the entire vaping community to have to pay to see the details of the truce they're proposing! The abstract itself is an admission of Public Health fraud!

REJECT!
I agree with everything you wrote, DrMA!

 

[Falconeer]

Paywall! They want the entire vaping community to have to pay to see the details of the truce they're proposing! The abstract itself is an admission of Public Health fraud!

REJECT!
I agree with everything you wrote, DrMA!

A spot on comment! Thanks to the OP for another great post!

 

[Steamix]

From the abstract...

"...how both sides are responsible for bringing misleading information to the public..."

BOTH sides ?!?!

Sorry, putzo, you're definitely getting off on the wrong foot there.

'Twas the vaping community that has no qualms ousting and shooting down these shady outfits with added vitamins in their juices, the shysters who made tall health claims, the price gougers peddling outdated gear for a kings ransom....

'Twas - and still is - the vaping community that unmasked the junk science, the influence peddling, the agendas of special interest groups.

If you start with a statement like that; I smell a rat, I smell an attempt to instrumentalize the very same folks you've been fighting tooth and nails - and that have been fighting you and your BS tooth and nails.
Guess you're just adopting the old stratagem : If you can't kill your enemy, kiss him.

Cuz a line like that indicates to me that you aren't really rethinking your stance on vaping. It reeks more of looking for a useful patsy to keep the line to the feeding troughs open you've grown so much accustomed to.

First, come clean and lay it bare : the hidden ( or not so hidden ) agendas, the backroom deals, the media manipulation. The we talk.

Else, no dice.

 

[choochoogranny]

First of all, Dr. MA, thank you for finding and sharing this. Secondly, I would like all the T.C. principals to stand up publicly and confess their evil intentions and why. Thirdly, I want some tar, feathers and a rail!!!

 

[Jman8]

As much as I support the gusto of OP, I'd just like to note:
- the item linked is from Oct. 2015
- I'm not finding word of it elsewhere
- group that it is sourced to, on their online site, has 2016 annual meeting in March (coming up in 2 weeks) and pretty much anything pertaining to eCigs appears to be perpetuating more misinformation

If there were this sort of actual olive branch being put forth by TC, I'd wait for it to be far more public, and coming from more than one source before I believed it. I imagine even then, there would be TC types that would be like "Never!" (going to make peace with nic users/suppliers). I'd also be very interested in what well known public health types on our side have to say. I think of that as being like a truce negotiated during a world war, and that if TC is trying to play nice, our side's people would essentially be insisting on unconditional surrender that amounts to it being very obvious, and very public, that science / public health went in direction of propaganda/deception and wants to make that very public now. Anything short of that and more along lines of, "we've both done things wrong, let's just get along and work together toward a common goal," I would think would not be warmly received.

In reality as I'm aware of it, both sides are essentially saying to each other: just stop whatever it is you are advocating for and get the H out of the way.

And so making peace with that and working toward common goal strikes me as not likely.

But, and IMO this is a rather significant/huge but, I do think many vapers / public health types (and even some of BT) could all be on same page for planning for elimination of combustibles - calling that the common goal. I don't think I would ever be on board with that, and would simply allow free market to determine that rather than policy making / tax levying. I would think the latter would be just more of the same with the propaganda war / deception.

 

[pennysmalls]

After reading the abstract I'm suspicious too. There are always ulterior motives with them. Always. The suggestion that the end game of destroying tobacco once and for all is the real target for both sides, no mention of harm reduction or a middle ground at all, is a big clue as to what that motive is. It sounds to me like this is an attempt to use vaping to further their agenda.

 

[edyle]

After reading the abstract I'm suspicious too. There are always ulterior motives with them. Always. The suggestion that the end game of destroying tobacco once and for all is the real target for both sides, no mention of harm reduction or a middle ground at all, is a big clue as to what that motive is. It sounds to me like this is an attempt to use vaping to further their agenda.

"The enemy of my enemy is my ally........................ for now............."

 

[nicnik]

As much as I support the gusto of OP, I'd just like to note:
- the item linked is from Oct. 2015
- I'm not finding word of it elsewhere
- group that it is sourced to, on their online site, has 2016 annual meeting in March (coming up in 2 weeks) and pretty much anything pertaining to eCigs appears to be perpetuating more misinformation

If there were this sort of actual olive branch being put forth by TC, I'd wait for it to be far more public, and coming from more than one source before I believed it. I imagine even then, there would be TC types that would be like "Never!" (going to make peace with nic users/suppliers). I'd also be very interested in what well known public health types on our side have to say. I think of that as being like a truce negotiated during a world war, and that if TC is trying to play nice, our side's people would essentially be insisting on unconditional surrender that amounts to it being very obvious, and very public, that science / public health went in direction of propaganda/deception and wants to make that very public now. Anything short of that and more along lines of, "we've both done things wrong, let's just get along and work together toward a common goal," I would think would not be warmly received.

In reality as I'm aware of it, both sides are essentially saying to each other: just stop whatever it is you are advocating for and get the H out of the way.

And so making peace with that and working toward common goal strikes me as not likely.

But, and IMO this is a rather significant/huge but, I do think many vapers / public health types (and even some of BT) could all be on same page for planning for elimination of combustibles - calling that the common goal. I don't think I would ever be on board with that, and would simply allow free market to determine that rather than policy making / tax levying. I would think the latter would be just more of the same with the propaganda war / deception.

It's a study. Not likely peer reviewed, but in that pseudo-scientific world, maybe it was. I figure they were hoping it would catch on among the TC community, but it sure looks like it didn't.

At their anual meeting in March, someone ought to point out that they've admitted to fraud in their anti-vaping activities.

 

[DrMA]

"The enemy of my enemy is my ally........................ for now............."

In this case, the primary enemy of vaping is TC & their frenemy BT isn't any better. We can't be allies with either.

 

[Steamix]

After reading the abstract I'm suspicious too. There are always ulterior motives with them. Always. The suggestion that the end game of destroying tobacco once and for all is the real target for both sides, no mention of harm reduction or a middle ground at all, is a big clue as to what that motive is. It sounds to me like this is an attempt to use vaping to further their agenda.

Their declared aim is to get rid of all things tobacco. Commendable.
And there's plenty of statistics and studies that no matter how hard you squeeze, there will always be smokers.
So fighting the "good fight" without actually scoring a total victory kept them all in bread-n-butter.

And they know that too. If smoking is eradicated completely, there would be no further use for them, there would be no more need to allocate even a single dime to finance them...

And if there is a technology that can land them on the scrapyard of history fast, it's vaping.

That's what they truly fear...

 

[Kent C]

And they know that too. If smoking is eradicated completely, there would be no further use for them, there would be no more need to allocate even a single dime to finance them...

They'd find or create some other fake 'vice' to impose their will on others. It's who they are. The best we can do is keep them out of government and stop gov't from funding them. And show their intended victims, who they are - in forums, coffee shops, local council and school board meetings - ie anywhere you encounter them. They're easy to spot - it is those who say "something Should be done about (fill in the topic)".

 

[DC2]

And show their intended victims, who they are - in forums, coffee shops, local council and school board meetings - ie anywhere you encounter them.

Coming to a donut shop near you...