New York... Obviously is right

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DragonVapor

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So as a new e-smoker in Texas I have to acknowledge that the ban in New York makes a limited degree of sense.

Firstly most e-liquids contain Propylene Glycol (as you know)
And since PG has been proven to cause liver failure when injected in large amounts via an IV it should be illegal!

The logic is as follows: Nicotine is a drug; ...... is a drug. Therefor all smokers are druggies and will there for eventually shoot up e-liquid

2ndly E-cigs are being marketed to children. we know this because some ice cream cones contain as much as 2% Propylene Glycol... and children like ice cream

Finally E-cigs are not a fire hazard there for some will not cause an apartment building in to burn down.... thus allowing more people to live and procreate... adding to over population adding to world hunger... So... in effect E-cigs are responsible for the struggle for natural resources and thus war.

So New York was banning war... not an inexpensive alternative to smoking
 

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Well you know... its un-American to be a minority and want to.... well live be healthy have a higher quality of life... how dare us...



Now what IS American is suing people... so when one of those afore mentioned apartment complexes burn down... the relatives of those who die should file a wrongful death suit against New York since they legislated against something that may or may not have saved to lives of there loved ones
 

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I think the future stability of the U.S. dollar has been compromised by vaping too. Weren't we all supposed to be dead before we could deplete social security during our old age.. what are they going to do with us if we live an average lifespan!?

Yeah, you're right. Now what do we do if we live too long and no Social Security?
 

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So as a new e-smoker in Texas I have to acknowledge that the ban in New York makes a limited degree of sense.

Firstly most E-liquids contain Propylene Glycol (as you know)
And since PG has been proven to cause liver failure when injected in large amounts via an IV it should be illegal!

The logic is as follows: Nicotine is a drug; ...... is a drug. Therefor all smokers are druggies and will there for eventually shoot up E-liquid

2ndly E-cigs are being marketed to children. we know this because some ice cream cones contain as much as 2% Propylene Glycol... and children like ice cream

Finally E-cigs are not a fire hazard there for some will not cause an apartment building in to burn down.... thus allowing more people to live and procreate... adding to over population adding to world hunger... So... in effect E-cigs are responsible for the struggle for natural resources and thus war.

So New York was banning war... not an inexpensive alternative to smoking

Brilliant!!

Finally. Someone put all that legalese into english so I could understand where they were coming from.

Now... how do I "unsign" that petition? :D
 

DragonVapor

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This is the original FDA report on Propylene glycol... I have yet to find the one that says its toxic or carcinogenic... or even "A known respiratory irritant"

Propylene glycol is metabolized by animals and can be used as a carbohydrate source. Propylene glycol can be ingested over long periods of time and in substantial quantities (up to 5 percent of the total food intake) without causing frank toxic effects. Propylene glycol monostearate is readily hydrolysed in vivo and the propylene glycol and fatty acid moieties enter their respective metabolic pathways. At lethal or near lethal doses (6 g per kg or more), however, it has been reported to cause kidney damage in several species and toe deformities in chicks. These doses contrast with the few mg per kg per day estimated in Section III of this report to be the human daily dietary intake of propylene glycol. The Select Committee has weighed the available information and concludes that: There is no evidence in the available information on propylene glycol and propylene glycol monostearate that demonstrates, or suggests reason to suspect, a hazard to the public when they are used at levels that are now current or that might reasonably be expected in future.


It should however be noted that the 6g per kg ratio does imply that if you are a 180lbs chicken you should not consume more than 1.05 lbs of Propylene glycol a day or you may end up with a deformed toe...
 
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