lol, yeah i think i killed my first one just playing with it all day...i only got the 18mg, and haven't gotten that sick feeling, but i def smoked the hell out of it. also got a dud in one of my packs, and one that was so filled it was squirting in my mouth, tasted like i had two pine trees duking it out on my tongue, it was pretty bad, lol. good to see another virginian in here. not many people around here are using them which is odd considering how we have the smoking ban in effect here. i'm gonna have to try those flavors gribeau, i'm not big on fruity, but i keep hearing people say to try them. since i got the dud, i'm gonna use that one to play around with a few of the juices. hell i'm still amazed at how much i like em. i tried a smoke51 style a guy had at the bar a few months back and it was absolutely nasty and started to not think i'd try em, but a friend of mine told me about V4L and the price was just so much cheaper, figured eh, its $40, if it works, thats less than a carton of cigs here. hell cigs are running almost 50 here a carton now. what part of va are ya in belletrist?