Nickel Wire in Titanium Mode?

[Jeremy Schreiber]

Hi everyone,

Just to preface my post: I understand that this post is likely best suited for the temperature control forum, but am unable to post there as a new member.

Secondly, I tried searching and have spent some time on alternate sources looking for the answer, but for whatever reason, I was unable to find the answer.

My question: In any TC mod with titanium mode, but particularly the IPV3 Li or the IPV4S, can you run nickel wire in titanium mode? From what I have read, people have run titanium in joules mode for the Yihi chips, however, can this work the other way around? Would this not be safe or is there some property of the titanium mode that would make this an unwise decision?

The reason I am asking is that titanium mode can run up to 100 joules, while nickel can only be ran at 50 joules (on the IPV4s / what I hear about the update on the ipv4). At this point, I cannot say if I would actually run over 50 joules if I could, but it is something that I would like to try.

Thank you.

Jeremy

 

[BillLee3]

Hi everyone,

My question: In any TC mod with titanium mode, but particularly the IPV3 Li or the IPV4S, can you run nickel wire in titanium mode? From what I have read, people have run titanium in joules mode for the Yihi chips, however, can this work the other way around? Would this not be safe or is there some property of the titanium mode that would make this an unwise decision?

The reason I am asking is that titanium mode can run up to 100 joules, while nickel can only be ran at 50 joules (on the IPV4s / what I hear about the update on the ipv4). At this point, I cannot say if I would actually run over 50 joules if I could, but it is something that I would like to try.

Jeremy

Curious, are you saying you're hearing about a (firmware) update to the IPV4 or that there's gonna be a new IPV4S that handles titanium? I don't know anything about it, but had read somewhere that titanium could be used in place of nickel but the temps would just be off (so you'd set it at a different temp).

 

[Jeremy Schreiber]

Curious, are you saying you're hearing about a (firmware) update to the IPV4 or that there's gonna be a new IPV4S that handles titanium? I don't know anything about it, but had read somewhere that titanium could be used in place of nickel but the temps would just be off (so you'd set it at a different temp).

I am almost 100% sure that the IPV4S can run titanium. Alternatively, I heard that an update will be available for the IPV4 that will allow for use of titanium (which would make some sense because the SX Mini M Class had a similar update, granted that is more expensive mod and a different board). That might just be wishful thinking by me, but this uncertainty is part of the reason I am asking this question about using nickel in titanium mode.

If an update does not come out for the IPV4, but I can't use nickel in titanium mode, then there is no reason for me to go buy a IPV3 Li and I should wait for something that allows for more than 50 watts/joules in "nickel" mode (which I might do anyway). If an update for the IPV4 does come out, then I need to know if I can use my nickel coils or if I need to start preparing to build titanium coils for a new RTA.

I had also read that titanium can be used in the place of nickel, but that the temperature setting would need to be set something like 80-100 degrees Fahrenheit lower (I believe) to compensate. That is what makes me believe that I can use nickel in titanium mode, but I am certainly not an expert and want to play things safe and ask before doing anything/buying anything.

 

[MoDmAnDaN]

The new Yihi update does offer a new menu choice is temp mode that you can specify if using either Ti or Nickel wire. I have several friends who have used Ti before that came to be and using Ti forced them to reduce temp settings about 100F lower.

 

[aky103]

curious but how titanium mode will be different?

 

[DreamWithin]

curious but how titanium mode will be different?

Different calibration for inferring the temperature value of your coil. Nickel wire's resistance will change proportional to it's temperature, this is how these type of devices regulate temperature since they can't directly measure the temperature of your coil. Since nickel and titanium have different properties the resistance change in relation to temperature change will be different between the two (this is why the temp settings will be off when using Ti wire on a device that is calibrated for Ni200)

So in answer to the OP's question, I don't see why you couldn't run Ni in Ti mode, though the displayed temperature values will be incorrect. But if your device has both modes, you'd be better off switching to the correct one for your wire just for the sake of working with the correct displayed temperature values

 

[Ryedan]

I had also read that titanium can be used in the place of nickel, but that the temperature setting would need to be set something like 80-100 degrees Fahrenheit lower (I believe) to compensate. That is what makes me believe that I can use nickel in titanium mode, but I am certainly not an expert and want to play things safe and ask before doing anything/buying anything.

I run Ti in Ni mode on a DNA40 and a clone. Works as you describe it and quite well. What I dis the first time I tried this was to 'calibrate' the Ti temp setting by dry burning cotton at low temperature and increasing it in steps until the cotton just started to singe. That is around 420 deg F.

I know of no reason you could not do the same with Ni in Ti mode, you would just need to raise the temperature setting higher rather than lower. The only issue might be that when you set 600 F the actual wire temperature might not be high enough to make a good vape. The only way to find out is to try it, or find the temperature/resistance numbers for both wires and calculate it.

 

[Rob Steed]

Have you found out more about this? I have a Smok tct tank with ni200 coils and would love to throw it in titanium mode and get up to 100 joules but don't wanna kill myself. 50 joules just isn't doing it for me lol

 

[jfb7]

Any mode on a TC device is going to be interpreting the ratio versus a reference resistance.
It's just a question of what temperature it corresponds to. Say the temperature on Material X is 2:1 at 400F versus 70F, and Material Y is 2:1 at 300F versus 70F.
If you run Material Y in Material X Mode at 400F, it's going to get to 300F. Make sense?