Njoy files for bankruptcy

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This is a sad day to me. I pretty much use there daily disposables exclusively. I don't know all the in and outs about bankruptcy, but I really hope this isn't the end of them. I ordered a 100 pack of classic tobacco dailies on 9/2..they still have not showed up. I emailed asking if this is why, waiting on a response. Regardless, njoy is a huge independent company that has tried to fight the fda, I just hope they make it through and continue on.
 
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A disposable NJoy was my very first exposure to vaping a few years ago. It's wasn't great, but wasn't that bad either. It worked well enough for me to research for better products (for me).

Sad to hear about NJoy. There would be no vaper industry today without their fight and lawsuit against the FDA and win in 2009.

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I suspect NJOY will carry on, they will pay their largest creditors and seek protection under the bankruptcy laws and reorganize is my guess.

"While some will doubtless portray NJOY as the first high-profile victim of the deeming regulations, the reality seems to be that its problems lie in the decline of the King brand – sales were down from $93m in 2013 to $7.4m in 2015 – and an inability to hold its own in the new world of open systems, combined with high costs."

You really gotta keep up with the market when you are in a niche business like ecigs. Sounds like they were unable to do that with the Kings 2.0.


If you remember, Aspertame went thru one of the most brutal regulation processes of anything I can remember in my lifetime, and it's enjoying big success.

Like to know more about the undisclosed settlement agreements they had with Fontem Ventures........ I doubt Njoy went thru all that patent litigation for no reason. :)
 
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If you remember, Aspertame went thru one of the most brutal regulation processes of anything I can remember in my lifetime, and it's enjoying big success.
I don't remember. Can you point me to something that details this? Was it nearly regulated out of existence based on an assumption of harm?

As for njoy, they seemed to double down on their Dailies. I wish they had gone further with the Artist Collection, but I know they hurt themselves in the vaping community.
 

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....and not SURE I would qualify a bankruptcy as sad news for a company that well known billionaires invested in.......bankruptcy is all about paperwork, that's really all it is. Bankruptcy is about getting RELIEF.......usually works out pretty well for all concerned, even unsecured creditors often get paid.
 

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....and not SURE I would qualify a bankruptcy as sad news for a company that well known billionaires invested in.......bankruptcy is all about paperwork, that's really all it is. Bankruptcy is about getting RELIEF.......usually works out pretty well for all concerned, even unsecured creditors often get paid.
If they were soliciting buyers and found none interested, it sounds like more than a reorg to me.
 
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I don't remember. Can you point me to something that details this?

Quite frankly, no. :) Aspertame was probably the most tested, controversial food item I can remember and I really can't provide you with details that cover 2+ decades during the 1970s and 1980s, all the testing, lawsuits, EPA involvement, FDA approval, because I don't have that kind of time or resources w/out hiring a small fleet of research assistants.

Seriously? You had to not be interested in the subject matter not to have noticed 20 years (actually 30 years) of this going on. Even the FDA characterized it as "one of the most thoroughly tested and studied food additives the agency has ever approved........." It was on 60 Minutes still well into the 1990s......

I'm talking about scrutiny. I highly doubt ecigs will go thru anything close to that kind of scrutiny, I really do. But we'll check back on this in ......30 years. :)
 
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I suspect NJOY will carry on, they will pay their largest creditors and seek protection under the bankruptcy laws and reorganize is my guess.

"While some will doubtless portray NJOY as the first high-profile victim of the deeming regulations, the reality seems to be that its problems lie in the decline of the King brand – sales were down from $93m in 2013 to $7.4m in 2015 – and an inability to hold its own in the new world of open systems, combined with high costs."

You really gotta keep up with the market when you are in a niche business like ecigs. Sounds like they were unable to do that with the Kings 2.0.


If you remember, Aspertame went thru one of the most brutal regulation processes of anything I can remember in my lifetime, and it's enjoying big success.

Like to know more about the undisclosed settlement agreements they had with Fontem Ventures........ I doubt Njoy went thru all that patent litigation for no reason. :)


Of interest to me is its always thrown about that cigalike class gear makes up the bulk of vaping but it looks like this company has seen a 90% drop in the last couple years.
 

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Quite frankly, no. :) Aspertame was probably the most tested, controversial food item I can remember and I really can't provide you with details that cover 2+ decades during the 1970s and 1980s, all the testing, lawsuits, EPA involvement, FDA approval, because I don't have that kind of time or resources w/out hiring a small fleet of research assistants.

Seriously? You had to not be interested in the subject matter not to have noticed 20 years of this going on.
Sounds like I wasn't alive or of reading age for most of it. As far back as I can remember, foods containing aspertame have been readily available.

ETA: I'm not as old as I look ;)
 

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....Bankruptcy is about getting RELIEF.......usually works out pretty well for all concerned, even unsecured creditors often get paid.

But sometimes pennies on the dollar. I sub-contracted for a company back in 2007 for about 8 months - in 2009 when they filed for Chapter 11 I was contacted and they requested that I pay back 6 months of the salary that I had been paid. Long story short - it didn't happen, but that action was approved by the judge...
 
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The controversy surrounding aspartame was a media sham.

Opinion: Sugar-free soda is safe - CNN.com

Aspartame was first approved for use in 1981, but it wasn't until 15 years later that health concerns showed up. In 1996, a research paper showed that there had been a recent increase in brain tumors and hypothesized that this might be due to aspartame. Mind you, it didn't prove that was so. But the potential link was all the media needed to go crazy. TV shows, magazine articles, and newspapers all questioned whether the artificial sweetener was safe.

Further work using data from the National Cancer Institute showed that the increase in brain tumors really began in 1973, long before aspartame was introduced. Moreover, the increases in incidence of cancer were seen primarily in the elderly, which as a group, was not the major consumer of diet soda.

Much like the junk science surrounding e-cigarettes, all the media needed was the possibility of a sensationalized health risk and they were off to the races.
 

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And to think just two years ago they received funding valuing the company at 1 billion dollars !

If i recall correctly they were in talks to sell to Lorillard in 2012, before Lorillard bought Blu instead for $ 135 million.

It was always gonna be difficult for Njoy to retain their market share when BT moved into the cigalike market in 2012/2013. Reynolds went from nothing to over 30% of the market in less than a year. Altria is making huge inroads too with their Mark Ten brand. BT has a huge built-in advantage with their distribution network and ddep pockets.
 

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Of interest to me is its always thrown about that cigalike class gear makes up the bulk of vaping but it looks like this company has seen a 90% drop in the last couple years.
Actually the estimates for 2016 are 2.5 billion for the pv, atty and liquid segment of the market, and 1.6 billion for the cigalike market.
 
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And to think just two years ago they received funding valuing the company at 1 billion dollars !

If i recall correctly they were in talks to sell to Lorillard in 2012, before Lorillard bought Blu instead for $ 135 million.

It was always gonna be difficult for Njoy to retain their market share when BT moved into the cigalike market in 2012/2013. Reynolds went from nothing to over 30% of the market in less than a year. Altria is making huge inroads too with their Mark Ten brand. BT has a huge built-in advantage with their distribution network and ddep pockets.
Name recognition, even wider distribution networks, mailing lists to send coupons to. Tough to compete with for anyone.
 
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