No seriously, what is this garbage?

[Moonbogg]

I mean it. This is like, very odd to say the least. Read this. Its like someone is taking the cheap route and just tossing cheesy articles out there to give the idea that e-cigs are literally no safer than smoking. I find this really REALLY weird.
They literally are saying that because an e-cig battery burned some girl that e-cigs are no safer than smoking. Thats what they said and that is their reason.

[URL='http://www.natlawreview.com/article/are-e-cigarettes-really-safe-alternative-to-smoking']Are E-Cigarettes Really a Safe Alternative to Smoking?[/URL]

 

[Scottitude]

It's the National Law Review; they are the ultimate ambulance chasers spreading FUD to fatten their wallets.

To them, the truth is whatever they say it is. Facts have no value.

 

[Qew]

The author of that article is a personal injury lawyer, lol.

 

[edyle]

During the trial, evidence was presented which showed that the E-Cigarettes failed to warn consumers that plugging into a USB port with too much voltage could cause the chemicals in a lithium ion battery to explode. The jury returned a $1.9 million verdict on behalf of the Ries family. - See more at: [URL='http://www.natlawreview.com/article/are-e-cigarettes-really-safe-alternative-to-smoking#sthash.yPsf7UOX.dpuf']Are E-Cigarettes Really a Safe Alternative to Smoking?[/URL]

 

[Marc411]

Exactly, for the most part can't you believe anything that an attorney states? They are just building a foundation for future lawsuits. You can tell by how the article is written that there was no research done, no science or fact mentioned just plane old lawyer conjecture.

After all it's how most (not all) of them make a living, an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.

 

[zoiDman]

So because an e-Cigarette Melted Down when plugged into the Wrong Type of USB Charger, we should consider e-Cigarette "Not Safe".

LOL

Guess my Cell Phone and Laptop aren't "Safe" anymore. Because you can find 1,000's of Incidents where they have Melted Down Also.

I just used this page...

Contact Us | The National Law Review

to send them this Study...

E-cigarettes around 95% less harmful than tobacco estimates landmark review - Press releases - GOV.UK

And asked them why they didn't seem to think it was Important to include any Health Aspects in their little Piece. But instead wanted to Focus on an Isolated Instance regarding a piece of Hardware?

 

[roxynoodle]

If you want an honest relationship with someone, avoid dating lawyers and sales people .

I'm sure I've offended someone.

 

[Jman8]

From the opinion article:

When you hear these statements from a well-being friend or relative, there is often an instinct to stop and consider the possibility of quitting. I, too, have considered quitting on many occasions, but I’m never sure where or how to begin. Quitting cold turkey isn’t an option, because that’s too difficult. However, on those occasions when I stop by the local convenience store to pick up cigarettes, I’ll inevitably walk by the E-Cigarette section.

There’s a certain lure involved with the E-cigarettes. I have tried them, and at the time I justified the purchase by reasoning that it was not an actual cigarette, and therefore must be safer. You shouldn’t believe this “safer” reasoning, however—that’s what the E-Cigarette companies want you to believe, but new evidence suggests otherwise.

*First (minor) criticism, but thinking author meant "well-meaning" rather than "well-being friend or relative." Strikes me as a mistake that a grade school level author might make.

*Quitting cold turkey is main reason I'm writing this post. I've done it three times (never quitting less than a year). I find it easy. And free. And so what if it takes you a few days to work out whatever psychological barriers you have. Once you get past 3 days of not using, cravings go way down and after that I reckon it is as easy as any other method, though cold turkey has built-in confidence booster that gets stronger over time, especially in early going. Once you make it past 3 days, all other days in first month seem far easier.

Rest of piece, and main point of the entire piece, is so fallacious it is not worth a rebuttal. Though I do wish to add that vapers who think it wise to point out "potential dangers" in current products are helping to make the case for mainstream notion that says maybe these things aren't safer than smoking. And the stronger those cases are made on a vaping forum, the more likely mainstream non-vapers will have ammo to say "even vapers know they aren't safer." As I am (clearly) alluding to the DA/AP issue, I'll just be clear that if you think it is that dangerous and know that this was / is present in smokes, but you believe strongly it ought to be removed from vaping while it likely won't be removed from smokes, just feeds into rhetoric that says vaping is as dangerous as smoking (if it is not removed). And if you think it is somehow different to vape DA vs. smoke it, then you are for sure helping to make case that vaping is somehow worse for you than smoking.

 

[sonicbomb]

Theres a war on, and as a vaper you are on the front line. The first wave was a smear campaign which is as you can see is still ongoing. The second wave is heavy taxation and legal restrictions.

 

[sofarsogood]

How to boil this down to the fewest words. There are two things. First, vaping is 95% lower risk than smoking (thank you for that Public Health England). Nobody believes different, they just want to be argumentative because they don't want to discuss their real issue. Which brings us to point number 2, vaping can be 95% less expensive than smoking. If you mix at home, rebuild, and don't buy things you don't need a quality vape doesn't need to cost more than $100 a year. The issue is money not health. It's usually discussed from governments' point of view, taxes, when it should be discussed from the consumer's point of view, money saved.

Nobody disagrees that vaping is very low risk. They harp on health because they don't want to discuss the money.

 

[Kent C]

First, vaping is 95% lower risk than smoking (thank you for that Public Health England).

And from the other 20 foot building thread:

"We're saying it's safer. It's all relative risk – like choosing between jumping from a 20-foot building or a 40-foot building.(cigs) Ideally, you would not do either."

So 95% off 40 feet is 2 feet.

Hope Siegel, Greg or Carl picks this up :- ) all rights given... no credit needed.....

 

[Katya]

Timing is everything.

OP, please break that link...

Five Pawns Class Action Lawsuit

 

[Bunnykiller]

and 80,000 people each year in the US are hurt by lawn mowers.... I guess lawn mowers are safe since they have that neat little sticker by the exit chute...

 

[zoiDman]

and 80,000 people each year in the US are hurt by lawn mowers.... I guess lawn mowers are safe since they have that neat little sticker by the exit chute...

Is this CAL (Class Action Lawsuit) about people being Injured? Or is it More About people could have been Injured, and the OEM did not provide Adequately Warnings and even Deceived Consumers to this Possibility.

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

Who are they going to sue? The majority of vape gear comes from China.

 

[edyle]

when it comes to safety, the topic in the thread is really about lithium batteries, and not about vaping.

 

[DC2]

If you want an honest relationship with someone, avoid dating lawyers and sales people .

I'm sure I've offended someone.

My wife of 18 years passed the bar, but is not a lawyer.
She also sold insurance for AAA and for her father's insurance company.

So yeah, I married a potential lawyer, and an insurance salesperson.

But she has both a brain, and a conscience.
That's kind of rare, I know.

And not just for lawyers or salespeople.


Don't worry, I'm not the least bit offended.

 

[roxynoodle]

My wife of 18 years passed the bar, but is not a lawyer.
She also sold insurance for AAA and for her father's insurance company.

So I married a lawyer, and an insurance salesperson.

But she has both a brain, and a conscience.
That's kind of rare, I know.

And not just for lawyers or salespeople.


Don't worry, I'm not the least bit offended.

I always end up with professional liars. Count your blessings