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mcl5000

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To me the juice strength should match your cigarette strength. This isn't an apples to apples number BTW. If you smoke light or ultra light you're going to want lower mg juice <= 12mg . If you're into full flavor cigarettes you may prefer 18mg or higher.

eh I disagree with this. I smoked about a pack of camel menthol lights and 12 mg really doesn't do anything for me. I prefer 18 or even 24.

I don't think anybody can really give an answer to what mg you would want or need other than yourself. That's the beauty of sample bottles.

I love NHalers HV juice but it is only 12 mg so I mix it with some 48 or 60 to take it up around 20 mg.
 

WebJunkie

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A few critiques from what I am /reasonably/ sure of...

This got CRAZY long, so please don't think of it as me ranting/raving/being rude/hating on you, or anything like that. It's just when my fingers are on the keyboard, they tend to go and go and go.

Random tangent, I want some of the energizer bunny batteries for my 510. :)

It's all just friendly discourse. Feel free to agree/disagree/bite my head off at random.

- How strong are the cigarettes you smoke now? (pretty hard to know this. It may not coincide with flavor. )

AFAIK, 'light' and 'extra light' and whatnot have never been really indicative of nicotine content so much as flavor. From what I understand, it was not uncommon for light or extra lights to have more nicotine in them than regular cigarettes by the same brand.
- How quickly do you smoke them?

- Do you exhale through your nose? Do you hold the smoke a long time?

- How long have you been smoking? A pack a day smoker for one day, would require little or 0mg. :p
I think these are pretty spot on. Not sure on the exhaling through the nose mattering much as far as nicotine levels go, but how fast you smoke them, definitely, as well as how long you hold it in and how long you've been smoking. These are definite factors to take into account.

- How long do you go between smokes? You may be less addicted than you think.
I don't think this is as much of a concern. I think a higher time here simply means the withdrawal effects either don't affect you as much, or you're smoking less analogs per day. I would expect, if we did a survey, for the most part if people were left alone in an area where they could smoke, we would find a pretty strong correlation between number of cigarettes smoked and time between them. The other thing is perhaps there would be 2 categories, those who smoke at regular intervals to maintain, and those who peak and valley for whatever reason (i.e. smoke a lot until they hit their desired peak, then tough out being under-optimal as long as they can until they can't take it any more, and go for the peak again.)

From what I understand of nicotine addiction, it's more likely longevity of the addition to be a factor in things than amount. Someone who's been addicted and regulated to 1mg of nicotine in their system for 10 years is probably quite likely to be just as addicted as someone who was regulated to 20mg of nicotine for 10 years.

This could all be bull-honky, but from what I know it seems like it could potentially be at least on the pathway to the general idea of things.

To me the juice strength should match your cigarette strength. This isn't an apples to apples number BTW. If you smoke light or ultra light you're going to want lower mg juice <= 12mg . If you're into full flavor cigarettes you may prefer 18mg or higher.
again back to the light/ultralight idea. Unless they know for sure their light cig is actually referring to nicotine instead of flavor, it's still a shot in the dark, like it is for the rest of us.

If your juice is too low the cravings don't go away fast enough and you suffer some withdraw. Too high and your head spins. You don't want to increase your addiction either.
Excellent point. Always be aware of your body's responses, especially with something as, well, for lack of better term really, untested, as this.

It's not the addition so much as the tolerance. Addicted is addicted. Though all things being equal, yes, it's much better to have a lower tolerance than a higher one, but if 18mg isn't doing it for you, there's nothing wrong with throwing a drop or two of 24mg on the top of the cart to get through the craving. Tolerances are governed by what you accustom yourself to, not by the maximum or minimum's of the spectrum you're exposed to (though I'm sure there's some instances where this is untrue, I believe it's safe to reasonably say for nicotine in general). If 18mg isn't doing it for you, try a 'shot' of 24mg and see if that makes the 'hunger' go away. Then stay on the 18mg, or try to go lower for your normal vaping even.

It all depends on your goals. Some people (like me) see vaping as a way to manage a planed exit off of nicotine dependence. Others see it as a way to continue the nicotine dependence that they enjoy, without so many of the other known harmful effects of tobacco dependency, at the risk of any unknown effects of vaporizing. And that's not the only factions out there.

I could probably use the 36mg juice but I'd rather suffer a little withdraw than risk increasing my dependancy. My next big order will include some 18mg juice which i'll start to mix in with my 24mg.
Sounds like an awesome plan. If you're okay with the withdrawal symptoms then more power to you. :D That's awesome. Me? When I have withdrawal symptoms my productivity hits 0 and nothing gets done. Being a self-employed web developer, nothing getting done means no income, and that's no good at all, which is why up until now, I have not had any real success with giving up analogs.

Thanks to my 510, and you all of you here on ECF providing resources and backup, I think I've finally found something that if nothing else is quite likely to be much safer in the long run, and perhaps might even be able to help me get off of my nicotine dependency for good.
 

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All good points. I have been a pack (20-25 analogs) a day smoker for 16 years, started with Reds, moved to lights then switched to Newports. Smoked Newports for about 10 years then moved to Newport lights for about 3 years. Last change was to Marlboro Menthol Lights. As another poster said, the lights refer to taste, not nicotine content. I guess the one bad thing about me picking a Vapor King as my first e-cig is the inability to 'sample' different flavors/strengths. The Vapor King is a cartomizor style and no empty carts available (at least through Vapor 4 Life). I will be placing another order this week for 11 mg so everything will be ok. I have no problem vaping a stronger cart for a bit (switching them back and forth). I appreciate all your input, thank you. :)
 

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NO JOKE! I recently lost a battery THE SHOCK THE PANIC THE HORROR!

even with the PT which draws weak but flavor is nice. I am going HV later this week and hope the fast shipment gods gets it here soon.

Okay, sorry to sound so noobish, even thought I am, but what is a PT and an HV.

Thanks
:oops:
 

bigozone

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i recommend 36mg juice and some USP vegtable glycerine to cut the strenght with! more cost effective.... ;)

and you can mix to any nic level you need.... for example:

just mix 50% ejuice to 50% vg and you have 18mg just weaker flavor:oops:, and you can always augment that with the various offerings from wilton or that new company that starts with a C (maybe cappellas or something like that):confused:

edit:: fractious is right,, PT = usb passthru (usually 5volts)
HV = high voltage vaping, providing 4.5 volts or more to the atomizer (5v or more imho)
 
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sonnetjie

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Glad to see it's not just me having a bit of a trial and error process going on. I though I was a pretty light smoker and went for light liquid, but I have been having horrible cravings and have to keep vaping and vaping for the craving to go away. I have ordered some stronger juice and hopefully it will sort the problem out... Hurry postman!
 

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Glad to see it's not just me having a bit of a trial and error process going on. I though I was a pretty light smoker and went for light liquid, but I have been having horrible cravings and have to keep vaping and vaping for the craving to go away. I have ordered some stronger juice and hopefully it will sort the problem out... Hurry postman!

Hah, yes. This is why I placed an order Sunday night with the company that is < 60 miles from me. I am so nearly out of fluid it is ridiculous. Please PLEASE PLEASE, let them have handed it to USPS soon enough today to show up tomorrow. I really don't know what I will do if forced to pick between analogs and the pre-filled carts. I at least /liked/ the analogs at one point. LOL!
 

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I have to ask, all of you that are on (or needing) the 24+ mg juice, how many analogs were you smoking a day on average? I recently (over the weekend) got my Vapor King with 24 mg and 36 mg carts and juice. I was a pack a day person and the 24+ mg has been giving me a nic buzz (overdose) since I started Vaping. I got 1 pack of 18 mg carts and those work a lot better but still too much. I am not sure if its because of the number of analogs I smoked per day or if its the specific juice/carts I am using but wow. My next order is going to be 11 mg and I hope that will work better. My biggest problem right now is that I can only take 3-5 vaps at 18mg or else I get sick and 3-5 vaps doesn't satisfy me because its so short (1-2 minutes where an analog takes 5 or so...). I wish there was some sort of chart/graph that showed the strength needed depending on analogs per day (i.e. 1 pack = 11 mg, 2 packs = 18 mg, 3 packs = 24 mg, etc... I know this is wrong, but just an example). Still, I am confident that vaping will get me off smoking with the right strength.

Fractious - We are all a little different of course but as a pack a day smoker and a VK vaper now I said the same issue with the 18's. For me the 11mg is right on the money. I've recently moved down to 8mg's and that seems to do the trick and has me vaping about as often for the same period of time as when I was smoking. Trial and error I guess hope this helps.
 

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Fractious - We are all a little different of course but as a pack a day smoker and a VK vaper now I said the same issue with the 18's. For me the 11mg is right on the money. I've recently moved down to 8mg's and that seems to do the trick and has me vaping about as often for the same period of time as when I was smoking. Trial and error I guess hope this helps.


I appreciate your post. I placed an order this morning for a few cart packs of 11 mg and a 0 mg menthol bottle so I can cut my 36mg. I am pretty sure this will do the trick for me as well. Do you use the VK carts and Nobacco juice or do you get from elsewhere? Just curious what flavors you have tried and like haha.
 

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Ok so it looks like this thread got seriously hijacked, but it was such great information that it was totally worth it.

Thanks to the OP for his story, I found it very informative.

As for the OT going on in the rest of thread, equally informative. I ordered my first e-cig earlier this week (well technically its my second but the other one I only had for a weekend) and with it I ordered the 11mg juice. I found the high strength (preloaded carts) that came with my other ecig to be a little harsh so I thought that the lighter strength liquid might be a little smoother.

Hopefully I won't have to suck it all down to get a good fix...sounds like it's going to take some experimenting to get it right (unless I get extremely lucky) but at least now I won't feel discouraged if it doesn't "do it for me" straight away.
 

Fractious

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Ok so it looks like this thread got seriously hijacked, but it was such great information that it was totally worth it.


I wanted to apologize to the OP, I realized I was pretty responsible in hijacking the thread and didn't even think about it until Reboot brought it up. It was a great post and I appreciate you sharing your thoughts with us.


Reboot, thanks for 'reminding me' that I hijacked it. ;-)
 
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