Not enough throat hit with 510

[Lynswin]

OK, so hubby has a 510 which I bought him after extensive research!!

However, he doesn't seem to be getting a really good throat hit unless he direct drips. This is not really convenient always as he is a farmer and doesn't really want to be messing about with direct dripping when he is out on the yard/in the tractor with hands covered in .... etc (however it is fine at home).

I understood the 510 was supposed to be one of the best for throat hit - is this not so?

We have tried various e-liquids but none seem to give him that really good hit unless he direct drips. Even with direct dripping the hit only lasts for a couple if vapes.

Is the hit dependent on the juice or is it more to do with the PV/atty?

We have a couple of atomizers which I ordered from 2 different sites and I think one of them may be a genuine 510 and the other a copy but they are both the same as far as throat hit goes.

When I refill the carts I have been putting 8 drops in them (doesn't seem as though they would take much more).

Is there something we are missing here, or maybe he is expecting too much?

If anyone can give us some tips for better throat hit they would be very welcome.

Thanks

 

[wv2win]

Better throat hit = higher nic liquid and bigger battery PV. I would suggest he try 24 - 36mg liquid and a good 5 or 6 volt PV. Additional advantages are the batteries last 5-8 hours on one charge and only cost $2.50 instead of $12-$15 each. Here is a good list of higher volt/better battery PV's: (note, some of the PV's on this list are 3.7 volt, not 5 or 6 volt):

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[Lab]

to get a strong th without more nic.. add a drop at a time of pure grain alcohol to the liquid.. either everclear or high proof vodka..

as far as the amount of liquid you get in a cart.. look at the blue foam mod.. a empty cart should take from 10-14 drops depending on the size of drop

 

[jennlsnoopy]

I get good TH unless my atty is going bad. Usually its the liquid or the atty. I don't know what to tell you exept maybe he needs a stronger TH then most of us do. I would go with 5V.

 

[Lynswin]

Thanks for the replies.

He started off with a 18mg nic but has found that to be a bit high for him really (gets a bit light-headed and can't sleep! LOL!) as he tends to vape more than he used to smoke, so we've gone down a bit to 11mg (although even witht he 18mg he wasn't getting a great throat hit).

He was put off the larer battery PV's because of the size but if this is definitely gonna get better throat hit then maybe it's something he will have to live with!

Lab - do you mean one drop e-liquid to one drop alcohol or not as much as this?

Also, if you use the blue foam mod (or any other mod to the cart), does this really make a difference to the throat hit?

 

[Cicatrize]

I use 24mg RY4 from MVS and my 510 packs a pretty aggressive TH. More than my 801 for sure.

 

[Rambosmurf]

You have to make sure he isn't flooding the atty. To much juice in there will take away vapor and the throat hit. Blow out the atty from the top down and see how much juice comes out. We all vape more than we smoke. I have different attys/carts with different strength. The 11-16 for my normal, all the time vape, but go to 24 when I need the throat hit. I also found out that letting a little air slip in when inhaling will give a throat burn at times.
Tastes in E-juice will vary. RY4 for me tastes good, but lacks a hit, but for others it works. My personal is 555 or Hilton for the hit (24mg).
You have to change the original filling, it stinks. I use the Frayed Pyramid Tea bag method for my carts or the Blue foam. Either will help the liquid getting in there the way it should.
Check the atty for flooding and you might need to try another type. I have the 510 and like the hit but have found that the 901 is working better for me.
Hang in there, the noob curve is tough with these.
RS

 

[wv2win]

Thanks for the replies.

He started off with a 18mg nic but has found that to be a bit high for him really (gets a bit light-headed and can't sleep! LOL!) as he tends to vape more than he used to smoke, so we've gone down a bit to 11mg (although even witht he 18mg he wasn't getting a great throat hit).

He was put off the larer battery PV's because of the size but if this is definitely gonna get better throat hit then maybe it's something he will have to live with!

Lab - do you mean one drop e-liquid to one drop alcohol or not as much as this?

Also, if you use the blue foam mod (or any other mod to the cart), does this really make a difference to the throat hit?

1. You won't get much throat hit with 11mg.
2. cart mods (blue foam, etc) have no impact on throat hit
3. If he can't handle higher nic, then he really needs to look at the 5/6 volt PV options as they do provide better throat hit as reported by hundreds on here and other sites.

 

[jimmyjams]

You could also try a strong mint flavor or pick up some menthol crystals to add to his favorite juice. That will increase TH a great deal (provided he likes menthol). You can pick up some menthol crystals or drops here Specialty Ingredients : JuicyLiquid.com, DIY E-Liquid and Accessories!

Or you could order him some Tasty Vapor. Atomic Cinnacide has the best TH I've ever had! And the flavor is absolutely incredible to say the least. It's one juice that you vape and all other flavors will pale in comparison in every way. Going between that and a menthol seems to work the best for me (TH is most important to me too). I'm a dripper as well and I've found that the Pyramid tea bag mod is best when I can't drip. Hope this helps, good luck chasing the dragon!

 

[gl00pp]

I am too new to post a thread so I will try here.

I have noticed some differences between 510s that I have. The batts and the attys.
I have a couple 510 attys that have a white rubberish looking ring on the inside of the male threads, the batts that came have a little dimple in the battery. I also have like a bunch of attys that have a plastic ring and batts that have no dimple.

I the attys look all the same but I get a MUCH better TH and vapor from the attys with white rubber.....

any ideas..

cam

 

[borjis]

I would also recommend a Janty Ego or the dura/510 mega batteries. they deliver a lot more throat hit and last longer.

the other option is higher volt as mentioned. I find the Ego to satisfy that part.

 

[jimmyjams]

I am too new to post a thread so I will try here.

I have noticed some differences between 510s that I have. The batts and the attys.
I have a couple 510 attys that have a white rubberish looking ring on the inside of the male threads, the batts that came have a little dimple in the battery. I also have like a bunch of attys that have a plastic ring and batts that have no dimple.

I the attys look all the same but I get a MUCH better TH and vapor from the attys with white rubber.....

any ideas..

cam

I think the white rubber attys you're talking about are actual Joye manufactured. They're definitely better IMHO. They're are a lot of aftermarket ones out there which some people speak highly of. I've yet to experience what they're talking about.

 

[Lab]

no for the alcohol do 3-4 drops per 5ml bottle of e-liquid.. if that is not strong enough hit add a few more drops.. use everclear.. or high proof vodka.. you can use other high proof but it will pick up the flavor of it..

 

[gl00pp]

Bor


Yea my problem is I bought 20 sets. Probably knock offs or something.

 

[Ryan Toupal]

I think holding the button in for a second before you start taking a drag helps the TH

 

[Scottbee]

<sigh>

If he gets good throat hit when he is dripping.. then the problem is not with the liquid, it is not with the atty, it is not with the battery...

The problem is that the cartridge is not feeding the liquid to the atty properly. Remember, a "perfect" cartridge basically emulates continuous dripping.

If I were you I'd look into one of the simple cart mods... blue foam dart, pyramid tea bag, ZFM.... whatever. Find a cart mod that works for you and you will solve the "only 8 drops", and "no throat hit" problems simultaneously.

 

[Cicatrize]

Still, even with the cart properly wicking, I can't imagine 11mg being a very effective TH producer. I vape 18mg sometimes and I definitely notice the difference between it and my 24mg liquid. I only have to draw for a few seconds with the 24mg to get a massive TH on my 510, where as the 18mg requires a healthy 5+ second draw.

 

[shiloh325]

Throat hi and vapor are not basically the result of the particular e-cig you are using. If you have a decent working atomizer you can get good vapor and throat hit from any e-cig. The whole secret is in the filter and the mix. This is also where the economy of the e-cig rests. Basically to get the effects and the throat hit and the best economy you must get into DIY (do it yourself) mixing. And this is not as difficult as you might think.
First let's discuss the filters. Forget all those videos that make refilling look like an experiment in chem class. Cartomizers are the easiest. Just pop off the two little gaskets on the mouth end...hold up to a good light and with a dropper bottle fill till it looks good and wet. While doing this leave the plastic cap that came with it on the battery end so no liquid drips out. If you do over fill a bit some liquid will run into the air hole in the center of the atomizer. To avoid sucking in any juice remoce the cap when you are done and blow thru the cartomizer into a tissue.Now the cartomizer is set to go.
one important thing to remember with the cartomizer....you must keep it wet. You can no replace the filter and if you burn that filler the cartridge is done. Also forget the estimates on how many times you can use one. My daughter has been using the same 2 cartomizers(she has a regular KR808D and a passthru) for three months now every day and they are still working perfectly because she does not let them get dry. Therefore I can not give you any exact figure on how long they will last because neither has failed yet. At $1.25 each for the 2 cartomizers you can see the cost is negligible.
Now on to the regular carts. My first venture into e-cigs was to buy the Blu starter kit because it was the cheapest of the well known brands. I also got carried away and got the economy pack of 100 carts for $80.00. It did not take long to become disenchanted with the Blu batteries. I was continually charging them and one failed after a month. In my studies of vaping I found that the Blu carts fit the 510 baterry so I decided to try that since I had 100 extra carts to use up. I was not happy with the 510 external battery idea and again found that there was a new 510 passthru with no external battery. This is the setup I am now using....a 510 manual for around the house and outside and a 510 maual pass thru at the computer. Saves a lot of recharging. but back to the carts.
They are basically the same idea....an outside mouth piece with an inner cylinder that holds the filter material. You take a straightened paper clip and thru the hole in the mouth piece you push the inner cylinder up to the top where you can see it. The filter material in the inner cylinder can be any of a number of different materials. Fluval...pyramid tea bag material or my favorite Web Vent Filter (that is the name). this comes in a pakage of 12 4" x 6" sheets that can make enough filters to last for years. Once again forget the mumbo-jumbo about using toothpicks or syringes to fill your cart. Just use a dropper bottle and fill til the liquid is near the top. If it seems slightly too much no worry....the atomizer coil will absorb the excess the same as dripping or dipping.As with the cartomizer you should keep the filter moist for best result but you have one advantage here. If you do let the filter get dry and burn slightly just remove the filter material and insert filter material. I guess I will never wear out a 100 Blu carts as three of them have been going for 2 months no and just need repacking and filling periodically.
Now to the real money saver....the e-liquid. Having been over-zealous in buying 100 Blu carts I decided to do a lot more study on the DIY mixing process. Right at the start I discovered that throat hit was a factor of the amount of nicotine in the mix....the higher the milligrams the stronger the throat hit. But at the same time I found that the higher the the percentage of VG or PG the greater the quantity of vapor. You can readily see these two facts are at odds with each other. The more of one the less of the other so this becomes a matter of personal experimenting to find the right percentage combination.
Now to the real saver ...the mixing itself. If you check the various vendor of e liquid you will find that the cost of 50mll of 54gram e-liquid is only slightly higher than 30 mll of 24 milligram of liquid. I found a dealer who was selling a 50mll of 54 gram liquid plus bottles syringe gloves and 100mll of PG for $22.00. Now using you grammar school math you can see that by combining the e-liquid and the VG you can end up with 150mll of 18 gram e-liquid for under $22.00. That is 5 30 mill bottles of e-liquid which should last a pack-a-day smoker almost 8 months. Now you have to admit....that is cheap! With a little checking you can also find excellent deals on flavorings. Doing the math I find I should be able to have all the supplies necessary for a year of vaping for under @200. Compare that with the cost of analog cigs at $1100 to $1800 a year along with all the health benefits. Not really a difficult decision to make ! Happy vaping.......

 

[shiloh325]

Iam sorry but in my previous post I forgot to mention it is the Blu car AND the Blu atomizer that I use on the 510.At least the Blu atomizers hold up....I am using my original two and they are working fine.....................jim

 

[wv2win]

Throat hi and vapor are not basically the result of the particular e-cig you are using. If you have a decent working atomizer you can get good vapor and throat hit from any e-cig......

I categorically disagree with this statement. You can not get consistently good TH from a small battery auto PV for 5+ hours no matter what DIY liquid you are using. Consistent warmth of vapor, achieved only through higher volt, bigger battery manual PV's cannot be duplicated by small battery auto PV's. The OP will just be set up for frustration if they think it is only about the liquid. They might get decent TH for a half hour or so but nothing to compare with using a 5 or 6 volt PV with higher nic liquid and not for hour after hour. And there are way too many posts from former "Blu" owners, to name just one, that proves that all PV's are not close to being equal. No disrespect intended but just can't agree that all PV's are basically equal in providing TH.