Not enough Vapour

[Romelee]

Hi all,

I just bought the JacVapour starter kit: Smart PCC starter kit - STARTER KITS - All Products

I have charged everything and all seems to work apart from the lack of vapour coming from my mouth, when i look at youtube videos of people using the Jacvapour there is loads of smoke/steam coming from their mouth but when i use it there is very little.

Anyone else have this problem?

Regards

Rome

 

[DiNet]

Puffing too fast?
Did that first few hours too.
Need to pull much slower than with cigarette.

 

[ShogaNinja]

I am not a fan of cig-a-likes. They don't produce a lot of vapor. The cartos advertised there are 12mg which is on the low side for a beginner (unless you were a very light smoker). I know you probably don't want to hear this but I'd look into getting a bigger battery with variable voltage such as the proven eGo-C Twist. Some people like Spinners, others hate them. It's hit or miss, but the eGo-C Twist never fails.

Vapor production is judged by several different factors. ejuice Ratio: PG/VG can have an effect. Voltage: that's 3.6v probably less on those type batteries under load - a little on the anemic side. Resistance: there's no real telling what the resistance is on those cartomizer tips but it's probably too high for the low voltage coming off of that battery.

In short, the reason why I am not a fan of those PCC Cig-A-Like kits is because you have NO control over any of the factors that make for a satisfying vape. Often you are forced to use proprietary equipment that they provide you with and then they charge as much, if not more, for it than you could have if you go it your own way.

If you'd like to delve deeper into the specifics you can click the link in my signature and read the Vaper's Handbook.

 

[r77r7r]

Overfilling with juice will do that also. Blow thru your cart.

Careful of utube vids- they're not what they seem sometimes. Many vids, they don't inhale, or it's Humid. Go by what satisfies yourself.

 

[Romelee]

Puffing too fast?
Did that first few hours too.
Need to pull much slower than with cigarette.

Not puffing to fast and if i puff real slow i run out of pull as it feels like air is getting through (if that makes sense)

Overfilling with juice will do that also. Blow thru your cart.

They was pre filled, maybe that is the problem, can they dry out?

Just for info i am using the 24mg cart with 65mm battery

 

[MiamiMom63]

Some of the pre-filled cartomizers are not real full. If you have juice, try adding more to it until it drips out the batt end. Then clean the end off real good and blow it out through the mouthpiece and try it again. The prefilled carts don't last near as long as they state and it's alot cheaper to get your own juice and add to it and reuse the carts until they have a stiff draw and get gunked up. A good cart should last you at least a few days or more, depending on the type of juice you use.

 

[r77r7r]

Puffing too fast?
Did that first few hours too.
Need to pull much slower than with cigarette.

Not puffing to fast and if i puff real slow i run out of pull as it feels like air is getting through (if that makes sense)

Overfilling with juice will do that also. Blow thru your cart.

They was pre filled, maybe that is the problem, can they dry out?

Just for info i am using the 24mg cart with 65mm battery

Sometimes there's not much in to begin with. I can vape one dry in 1/2hr.

 

[budynbuick]

Puffing too fast?
Did that first few hours too.
Need to pull much slower than with cigarette.

Not puffing to fast and if i puff real slow i run out of pull as it feels like air is getting through (if that makes sense)

Overfilling with juice will do that also. Blow thru your cart.

They was pre filled, maybe that is the problem, can they dry out?

Just for info i am using the 24mg cart with 65mm battery

Hello. My rig makes lots of vape but if I pull deep into my lungs I will see very little exit. Is the flavor good? throat hit? That is a better criteria then how much vapor exits the mouth. If you want to see how much vapor your rig is producing, Puff your mouth full (without inhaling) & then see how much exits the mouth. Hope this helps.
Keith

 

[Romelee]

Thanks for the reply, yeah gonna get some juice instead of pre-filled, gotta feeling that is the problem, now gonna try and find some juice that is closest to Benson & Hedges or Amber Leaf (don't think i will find one but i will try)... not unless someone on here can direct me to something close?

 

[MiamiMom63]

Tobaccos are hard to replicate. None will taste exactly like a real cigarette and burning ash, sorry. I used to smoke Benson and Hedges regulars. You might want to try an RY4 tobacco flavor, which is a caramel slightly sweet tobacco. But I highly recommend a flavor like a fruit or a dessert, or even a good vanilla because most tend to move away from the tobacco flavors. You'd be surprised at how nice the flavors are Although stay away from Cherry, because most taste like cough syrup. lol.

 

[eHuman]

Also as partially mentioned; These type of intro cig-look-a-like models typically have low voltage and high resistance (to help make the crap 180mAh battery seem to last longer). The effect of this combo is an e-cig that puts out a whopping 4 to 4.5 watts of power. Most people (99.100%) when given the opportunity prefer to vape in the 7 to 12 watt range.

The low wattage severely hinders vapor production, TH (throat hit) and vapor warmth. Sometimes hinders fullness of flavor.

A quick fix in your situation would be to use a lower resistance atty. BUT, I doubt your battery would except any of the industry standards.

ECF is full of people who have started with set-ups just like yours (myself included), came to ECF and got educated and upgraded to a more powerful, standard, flexible set up (able to accomodate alot of the market options on one device) and chalked up the cig-a-like purchase to a costly lesson.

So what did I learn from it? E-cigs work, if the crap gear I had at first was just better quality... Oh wait, there is better quality gear out there that costs substancially less than what I paid for my 1st start-up kit... hmmmm. Sent back the Greensmoke gear and made a real purchase order.

 

[Romelee]

@ MiamiMom63

So something like this would do?

Tobacco Flavour E Juice 30ml Medium Strength - Cheap E Liquid

 

[MiamiMom63]

Since I am in the States and you are in the UK, I think you are best waiting until you get 5 posts and go into the UK forum and ask them where are good sites for juice. Some sites have alot better juice than others. I'm not sure in your area. Sorry. Let me find a link for the forum you should check. You just require one more post and then you can post anywhere in the other forums

 

[Romelee]

Also as partially mentioned; These type of intro cig-look-a-like models typically have low voltage and high resistance (to help make the crap 180mAh battery seem to last longer). The effect of this combo is an e-cig that puts out a whopping 4 to 4.5 watts of power. Most people (99.100%) when given the opportunity prefer to vape in the 7 to 12 watt range.

The low wattage severely hinders vapor production, TH (throat hit) and vapor warmth. Sometimes hinders fullness of flavor.

A quick fix in your situation would be to use a lower resistance atty. BUT, I doubt your battery would except any of the industry standards.

ECF is full of people who have started with set-ups just like yours (myself included), came to ECF and got educated and upgraded to a more powerful, standard, flexible set up (able to accomodate alot of the market options on one device) and chalked up the cig-a-like purchase to a costly lesson.

So what did I learn from it? E-cigs work, if the crap gear I had at first was just better quality... Oh wait, there is better quality gear out there that costs substancially less than what I paid for my 1st start-up kit... hmmmm. Sent back the Greensmoke gear and made a real purchase order.

You are right, i am learning loads as i go along from ECF

If you had to choose a e-cig from this site: Electronic Cigarettes | Vaping Devices | Accessories | E-Liquid

What would you choose?...i think i have to start from scratch

 

[MiamiMom63]

Here's the UK Forum UK Forum best of luck to you! I do think you will need to upgrade your device to maybe an Ego starter kit. Those type of ecigs require constant charging of the batts and are not very powerful. You really would enjoy an ecig that gives you a stronger umph in your chest and more vapor and flavor, and the batts will last you most of the day

 

[anavidfan]

One thing to add, is not to get too obsessed with quantity of vapour. Im my almost 1 year of vaping is that those videos where people use the more common beginner units are using "smoke and mirror" techniques. Lighting, camera angles, high VG juice. Really , really long , impossible deep inhales that are impossible for someone like me that is female and has a small chest/lung capacity cant do. Right now, what you need to focus on is a unit that will help you to achieve the most important thing, which is getting off cigarettes. For me it was ease of use, getting enough nic and something that tastes good enough and last but not least battery life. DOnt let vape cloud envy push you into something that might stress you out or make things so complicated that you pick up cigarettes.

Like many here , we started of with cig-alikes and I think though they are sometimes looked down upon as not powerful, or advanced, they are psychologically needful. Most of us have been smoking that size and feel for years, used to hanging them off our mouths etc. Quitting cigarettes is stressful enough, the bodies chemistry is going thru withdrawals etc. Comfort is a must, ease is a must. Once you get over the hump, than look at what you like about what you are using, and think about what you might like if given more choices.

I hope that helps. I dont think I could have quit had it not been for the cig-alikes. Habits are hard to break and keeping things as close to our previous habit is important. GOod Luck and I hope this helps a little

 

[DiNet]

Thanks for the reply, yeah gonna get some juice instead of pre-filled, gotta feeling that is the problem, now gonna try and find some juice that is closest to Benson & Hedges or Amber Leaf (don't think i will find one but i will try)... not unless someone on here can direct me to something close?

Didn't try all cigars, but Cherry Cigar is like, well cherry cigar Didn't try all cigars, not really interested either, but really enjoying this one.
Rest of tobaccos are horrible to me. Impossible to duplicate your cigarette, basic stuff like... fire and burning paper/chemicals...
I've settled for Serendpity and Shadowfax from HHV. Didn't try their gandalf tho. People seem to rave about it. Fruits what actually caught me for now. Enjoying flavors of fruits that I actually hate...
After I stopped searching for cigarette mimic I started enjoy vaping much more

You are right, i am learning loads as i go along from ECF

If you had to choose a e-cig from this site: Electronic Cigarettes | Vaping Devices | Accessories | E-Liquid

What would you choose?...i think i have to start from scratch

I'd go with vamo and vivi nova's. Probably wouldn't buy any juice from them. Surely no fancy mixes, maybe something with 1 flavor in it.

 

[eHuman]

You are right, i am learning loads as i go along from ECF
What would you choose?...i think i have to start from scratch

From your link, any eGo or 510 set up will get you started and happy for a while (some better than others) I don't know your budget but some possibilities:
Vape Escape Vision 1000 Ultimate £59.99 - Deluxe Vaping Kits - VE Vision 1000 Ultimate Electronic Cigarettes | Vaping Devices | Accessories | E-Liquid
Vape Escape Vision 900 Upgrade £49.99 - Deluxe Vaping Kits - Vape Escape Vision 900 Electronic Cigarettes | Vaping Devices | Accessories | E-Liquid
The VE Riva 1100 Deluxe Kit £34.95 - Deluxe Vaping Kits - Riva 1100 Kit Electronic Cigarettes | Vaping Devices | Accessories | E-Liquid
Or to jump right in, the VAMO or lavatube with batteries and charger and a few of these Vision Nano Clearomiser £2.95 - Vaping Spares - Cartomisers Electronic Cigarettes | Vaping Devices | Accessories | E-Liquid
Some defices have eGo threads
Some have 510 threads
Some with work on both (have both threads)
Make sure that you buy carts/tanks/toppers that fit the battery style that you purchase.

EDIT: (Vivi Nova is better than the clearomisers up there, but I didn't recomend them off the bat only for simlicity)

 

[anavidfan]

Riva/KGO big thumbs up, that was my step up after the cig-alikes, I still have them, and still use them occasionally.

 

[Chrissie]

Hello & welcome Romelee, I. also in the UK

The jacvapour e-cig is a KR808D & for a mini e-cig, it is one of the better ones.

However, you really would do so much better getting a Riva/ego kit & Vape escape that you linked to is an excellent vendor - use discount code ECF10 for 10% off.

If you would like to check out some other good UK e-cig vendors, have a look at this list -

ALL ABOUT E-CIGARETTES UK - E-cigarette/E-liquid Vendors List + discount codes