Not producing enough vapor

[yellowrider]

I just received a bunch of flavors to try some dyi juices but the result is not what I was hoping for.
I feel a throat hit but it taste more like alcohol. Not much vapor exhaled. The mix I used was for 10ml batch at 70/30% pg/vg.
This is what the calculations came out to be.

Nicotine 60mg pg base	2.83 ml	56.67 drops	28.333 %
PG	3.6 ml	73.3 drops	36.667 %
VG	2.5 ml	50 drops	25 %
black honey tobacco	1 ml	20 drops	10 %

Any suggestions will be appreciated.

 

[gimmieshelter31]

Hi yellowrider. Lets work through this. First some clarifications.
Whenever talking pg/vg ratios pg is usually first ex. 70/30 = 70%pg,30%vg----40/60 = 40%pg,60%vg,etc.
What is the pg/vg ratio of the 60mg/ml nicotine you started with?
What brand of flavoring are you using?
What is the final ratio of pg/vg you are after(target ratio)?
What is your target nicotine strength?

 

[Xpertpeye]

Increase the vg reduce the pg

 

[yellowrider]

Opps, 70/30 pg/vg
60mg nic 100% pg base
The Perfumers Apprentice Black Honey Tobacco Flavor
target 70/30 @ 18mg nic = 10ml

I edited the 1st post as well.

 

[gimmieshelter31]

Ok. If your nic is 100% pg, you would need 3ml nic, 3ml pg, 3ml vg,1ml flavoring for a 70/30 pg/vg 18mg solution with 10% flavoring.
Depending when you made it and tasted, you probably need time for the flavoring to infuse wtih the other ingredients to not have the alcohol taste you are experiencing.

 

[gimmieshelter31]

BTW , I haven't used the black honey tobacco flavoring but I looked it up and it is pg based so you need to factor that flavoring as pg when doing your calculations. Too much flavoring can also give an off taste.

I would make a few small batches of the flavor at different percentages and revisit after allowing to sit in a dark, cool place for a week.

 

[yellowrider]

Vaped right after the mix was made. Shook it up a few times to get it to mix and then vaped it. Maybe that might be the problem? But what about the vapor production? The juices I buy are at 70/30 ratio, just like my mix but the vapors are just weak.. not like the juice i buy.

 

[gimmieshelter31]

IDK, some flavorings can tend to inhibit vapor production. The chemistry behind it i don't know but it does happen. You can try replacing some of the added pg with vg and see if it improves.

Note: Your current mix is 75/25 pg/vg

 

[yellowrider]

yeah I think my mix needs more vg as well. I will drop 5 drops into my bottle and see it if helps

 

[gimmieshelter31]

One last thought before I retire. If you are using drops as a measurement standard,your final ratios will be unknown as each dropper and each liquid will have a different volume due to dropper size and liquid viscosity. Hopefully you are using syringes or graduated cylinders.

If not,try to procure some. Have fun. There is a bit of a learning curve but don't let that deter you from enjoying yourself.
Happy New Year to you yellowrider.

ETA: Even if using the same dropper for all the liquids, viscosity comes into play.

 

[yellowrider]

Good point. I am still in the process of gathering my lab equipment together. Just a few more items and I should be good for a mini lab.
Thanks for the pointers, and I will keep trying. I just spent over 100 bucks on flavors so I cannot get discouraged yet. Kinda pisses me off that the vendor forgot to include caps on my 10 bottles I ordered...
Once again thanks, and Happy New Year to you as well.

 

[WallyO]

I've read so much here on DIY and it all kinda blurs together but I thought I saw a few posts where they are using the honey tobacco flavor at 5% and less but I guess it all boils down to your individual taste buds.

 

[glassmanoak]

You really do need to calculate the number of drops per ml of PG, VG, flavorings if you are going to count drops in your DIY. Input those numbers into your calculator.

 

[yellowrider]

Just tried a mix at 60/40 with the flavors calculated as pg. Maple rum tobacco at 6% with tiny bit of menthol crystals in the mix was really good for tobacco menthal flavor. Seems alot better at the 60/40 ratio.