OK, I want to know

[Puffice]

First thread started, kinda new. Want to know what all the talk is about the 6v and different numbers for batteries. Like the vaping but not thrilled with how fast the battery goes down. Is their some secret that I don't know about such as super batteries that last long? Had a usb one but for some reason it stopped working after 3 weeks, so they are sending another and having to keep charging the 2 that I have. Another thing is that I use the cartomizers so would like to get view points on those versus cartridges (3 piece), it seems to me the cartomizers are getting hot fast, is that normal?

 

[Connman]

You Want to know what all the talk is about the 6v and different numbers for batteries?
I`ll try to let you know. This is just a example don`t take it for fact.

Well most e-cigs are 3.7 volt. Even at this lower volt the normal e-cig batteries don`t last real long so you need to have a few or a PCC to get you through say a work day and then charge them over.

A 5 volt or 6 volt wouldn`t even be able to run off that normal e-cig battery. Or even if it does wouldn`t be for long.

Now a 5 or 6 volt runs the atty hotter being they are using more juice. That can fry a atty rather fast if the atty is not wet enough etc. Something I haven`t tried using yet. If you are happy at 3.7 volts no since in going to a 5 or 6 volt in my opinion.

So now the different numbers on the batteries I believe you are talking about what we use for mods. A mod can be made to run at 3.7, 5, or 6 volts that I know of could be others. Mods are bigger then the normal e-cig battery. I believe they are still 3.7 volt battery but they have longer charge life like 600mAh and 900mAh the higher the number the longer you will run on it. Like the 900mAh runs me all day in my mod pictured in my avatar.

The Trustfire 14500 900mAh 3.7 is darn near the size of a normal AA. Slightly bigger in both length and width. The larger size being because it`s protected meaning shouldn`t blow up.
You can buy pre made Mods like the Chuck, Screw Driver, BB, Silver Bullet, and etc. etc. Or you could make your own if you can solder and stuff like that.

hope that helps a little on some of the stuff you wanted to know. The rest I don`t know about cartamizers Sorry.
Good luck and Happy Day.

 

[Kattdaddy]

Just to give a little further run down..... Connman did a good job, I just want to clarify.

I too do not use cartomizers so I will not be any help there either...
As far as batteries..., You have various battery models which are protected and unprotected ... they are identified by their serial numbers and it is the best recommendation to always use protected batteries. As far as battery characteristics, all the various mods out there run 3.7v, 5v, 6v, 7.4v.. and so on ( really the sky is the limit as far as volts are concerned it is just how the unit is designed to handle the volts that makes the difference. At this time, the usual manufacturers cut-off is 7.4 volts by design because it is just the practicality of need ( If you can't vape at the range between 3.7v-7.4v then ther is no need to go any further IMO). Just for example, I use a screwdriver and it runs at 3.7v with a 900mah battery. Easily simplified... the given 3.7 volts and all mah stand for is milli-amp hours. Using knowledge of OHMs law you can break down your usage to how many milli-amp you run per hours between resitance(ohms), current(amps), and volts..... this will give you an idea of how many hours that unit will run based on the mah listing. I can usually get 8.5 hours out of mine which means my 900mah battery gives me 105 milli-amps an hour. Hope this helps !!!

 

[Puffice]

Just to give a little further run down..... Connman did a good job, I just want to clarify.

I too do not use cartomizers so I will not be any help there either...
As far as batteries..., You have various battery models which are protected and unprotected ... they are identified by their serial numbers and it is the best recommendation to always use protected batteries. As far as battery characteristics, all the various mods out there run 3.7v, 5v, 6v, 7.4v.. and so on ( really the sky is the limit as far as volts are concerned it is just how the unit is designed to handle the volts that makes the difference. At this time, the usual manufacturers cut-off is 7.4 volts by design because it is just the practicality of need ( If you can't vape at the range between 3.7v-7.4v then ther is no need to go any further IMO). Just for example, I use a screwdriver and it runs at 3.7v with a 900mah battery. Easily simplified... the given 3.7 volts and all mah stand for is milli-amp hours. Using knowledge of OHMs law you can break down your usage to how many milli-amp you run per hours between resitance(ohms), current(amps), and volts..... this will give you an idea of how many hours that unit will run based on the mah listing. I can usually get 8.5 hours out of mine which means my 900mah battery gives me 105 milli-amps an hour. Hope this helps !!!

Ok first of all sorry how this thread was titled as I was kind of in a hurry when I wrote it.
I appreciate your post and Connman's but still confused. I have only been vaping about 3 weeks and all this is new to me, especially the verbiage.
Where you say your's runs a 3.7 V with a 900mah battery, 3.7 ... what? your what...? How is it you know your battery is 3.7 if you meant your battery? I have the KR808 and I am just trying to figure out what the problem is. I seem to be charging a lot plus puffing a lot. I don't know if I need the 36ml juice or what as I use the 24ml juice. When one of my batteries are fully charged and I use a new prefilled cartomizer it is good and strong enough but it does not last very long-about 1 cig and I have notice even the ones I have filled myself do better if the battery has just been charged. I have dripped a few times at that is horrible as get the juice in the mouth. But all in all it does seem to do better with a fully charged battery so just was wondering which model's last the longest and if that higher volt meant that the charge lasted longer? I of course have no idea what volt the battery is, assume it is just the normal type.

 

[gk7319]

Frustrating, ain't it?

I had the same problem early last month. After doing a considerable amount of reading, I opted for a Mod. I will explain...

Started with a Greensmoke and Cartomizer. Batteries did not last and cartomizers, which I thought would be easier that having to fill a regular cart, kind of annoyed me as they did not last as long as I was told and tasted burnt after awhile. Bottom line of the cartomizers, and any other claim on length of use is it is all BS. So, armed with the knowledge that nothing is as it was stated, I moved on to the 510.

With the 510, I bought extra batteries and 5 batt charger and then rotated them as they died out. I also started dripping 2-3 drops directly into the atty to vape. This would give me the equivilant of about a cigarette or two. This worked nicely, but I was still irritated about having to constantly change out batteries, so I bought a Silver Bullet from AltSmoke.

Now, here's the difference....

Other than size (the SB is quite large), that battery that it came with was a 3.7 volt power output, 2400 mAh (milliamp hour). This one battery will last all day (in fact, it lasted well into the next day, but I had purchased two so I would use one and charge that overnight, after switching to the other).

The 3.7v SB produced more flavor, throat hit, and vapor than the standard 510 battery. Now, bear in mind that I was still using the standard 510 attys that I had previously bought, so the difference was the battery. A standard ecig battery operates at a lower voltage and therefore does not get the atomizer as hot as the 3.7v - so less flavor, throat hit, and vapor. (There's a good thread on here, maybe in the Modders forum, by Scottbee about this.)

So, things to look for are the voltage output for the strength of the battery and the mAh for the amount of time it should last.

With regard to the SB, one could change the batteries - say drop in two 3V batteries to produce a total of 6Vs. BUT, this does have its drawbacks as you may start burning out the attys with the extra power and the mAh is lower on the smaller sized 3v batteries.

Recently, I purchased an Xhaler from Nhaler. This is another Mod that does use two 3v batteries and with minor mechanical adjustments will run at 5v or 6v (and others but that requires a slightly more detailed explanation). Many others had spoken highly of the 5v vaping experience on this forum so I figured I would give it a try. So far, I am getting more flavor and about the same amount of vapor as with the 3.7v.

For more info, take a look at the Modders forum. Also, for specific info on the SB and Xhaler have a look at the Altsmoke forum and Nhaler forum in the bottom section of the main page.

Hope this helped!

 

[OH Tommy]

. . . Where you say your's runs a 3.7 V with a 900mah battery, 3.7 ... what? your what...?

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Hi! ... Maybe I can help add to the confusion ... lol

The 3.7 = 3.7 volts = 3.7vdc = 3.7 volts direct current; yep, that's battery voltage. That is the power of your battery. Your car has a 12v battery; the headlights use 12v - but, when you plug your cell phone in the cig lighter to recharge it - the adapter only uses about 5v of that.

The supplied stock KR808 battery is, I think, a 280 = 280mAh = 280 milli Ampere hours. This is the capacity of your battery. It's kinda like the gas tank in your car - your 280 runs longer than my 150 (Joye 510), but not as long as somebody's 500.

Your KR808 battery has a "Protective" circuit in it that allows it to only absorb a max of 4.2v - no matter how long you charge it. It also prevents it from discharging to less than about 3.2v - no matter how hard you puff on it.

So . . . you notice it's "All Good" when you have a freshly charged battery (4.2v) . Sadly, on these little batteries, it's immediately "all downhill" from there until your battery shuts down! Worse, for me, is that the "Good Times" with my 150mAh don't last as long as your "Good Times" with your 280mAh.

What to do? Throw money at it! Buy the 380mAh KR battery! Build or buy a "mod" (modification) that gives you 500 to 300mAh!

Welcome to the club & Good Luck !!!

 

[rpgman]

"Bottom line of the cartomizers, and any other claim on length of use is it is all BS"

Not so sure about that. Visit the vapor4life forum which always has more viewers in it than any other vendor forum on here and I'm sure they will say otherwise.

 

[gk7319]

Just speaking from my own experiences with Green Smoke. I was a 2+ pack/day chain smoking freak and their cartos didn't last me for more than a few hours. They say that a single carto is equal to a pack and a half to 2 packs.

I think it all comes down to personal usage. A madman like myself, who sucks on the PV constantly, will have a sorter life on the cartos. My point was to take it all with a grain of salt.

 

[Puffice]

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Hi! ... Maybe I can help add to the confusion ... lol

The 3.7 = 3.7 volts = 3.7vdc = 3.7 volts direct current; yep, that's battery voltage. That is the power of your battery. Your car has a 12v battery; the headlights use 12v - but, when you plug your cell phone in the cig lighter to recharge it - the adapter only uses about 5v of that.

The supplied stock KR808 battery is, I think, a 280 = 280mAh = 280 milli Ampere hours. This is the capacity of your battery. It's kinda like the gas tank in your car - your 280 runs longer than my 150 (Joye 510), but not as long as somebody's 500.

Your KR808 battery has a "Protective" circuit in it that allows it to only absorb a max of 4.2v - no matter how long you charge it. It also prevents it from discharging to less than about 3.2v - no matter how hard you puff on it.

So . . . you notice it's "All Good" when you have a freshly charged battery (4.2v) . Sadly, on these little batteries, it's immediately "all downhill" from there until your battery shuts down! Worse, for me, is that the "Good Times" with my 150mAh don't last as long as your "Good Times" with your 280mAh.

What to do? Throw money at it! Buy the 380mAh KR battery! Build or buy a "mod" (modification) that gives you 500 to 300mAh!

Welcome to the club & Good Luck !!!

Thanks for all the replies, obviously I am not that technical or electrical but do understand it some. Question, you say buy a 380ah KR battery. So that is another battery that will fit the KR that will last longer? I have considered buying another model but don't want to be in the same boat. And to the other post trust me I did take it with a grain of salt just not a big grain. Don't want to cut it down but I smoked about a pack & a half of lights for years and this is not doing it and just trying to figure out why. If I had to buy the prefilled to make it equil to the antalogs, I would be going through about 3 a day and though it would still be better than the antalogs, trying like I guess everyone else not to go that route. It is really annoying because it seems to me with some adjusting they could make this a better longer lasting experience.

 

[OH Tommy]

. . . . . Question, you say buy a 380ah KR battery. So that is another battery that will fit the KR that will last longer? I have considered buying another model but don't want to be in the same boat. . . . . .

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Yes. The 380mAh has 136% the capacity of the 280mAh, is slightly longer, uses the same charger, takes longer to charge and would be a simple upgrade.

Beyond that, check out "The Modder's Forum" on here for info on using up to 3000mAh off-the-shelf, standard Li Ion batteries that you would buy a standard proprietary battery charger for and house it in an enclosure of your choice with the appropriate connector.

If you, or a friend, can follow the step-by-step posts from these guys and gals, the savings (using standard off-the-shelf components) is unbelievable! You can buy a 3000mAh Protected Li Ion battery for $6.

Good Luck!

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[Puffice]

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Yes. The 380mAh has 136% the capacity of the 280mAh, is slightly longer, uses the same charger, takes longer to charge and would be a simple upgrade.

Beyond that, check out "The Modder's Forum" on here for info on using up to 3000mAh off-the-shelf, standard Li Ion batteries that you would buy a standard proprietary battery charger for and house it in an enclosure of your choice with the appropriate connector.

If you, or a friend, can follow the step-by-step posts from these guys and gals, the savings (using standard off-the-shelf components) is unbelievable! You can buy a 3000mAh Protected Li Ion battery for $6.

Good Luck!

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The 380mAh has 136% the capacity of the 280mAh,- are you referring to a battery? If so where does it state the capacity, never seen it stated on any sight I have been on. I do have a pen style battery.
You can buy a 3000mAh Protected Li Ion battery for $6. - Do you know where?

 

[OH Tommy]

The 380mAh has 136% the capacity of the 280mAh,- are you referring to a battery? If so where does it state the capacity, never seen it stated on any sight I have been on. I do have a pen style battery.
You can buy a 3000mAh Protected Li Ion battery for $6. - Do you know where?

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Erm . . . you're probably distracted with work or something? I explained mAh capacity of a battery in post #6 of this thread and you quoted me in your post #9 of this thread ... it's one of those words in red letters?

Yep, the capacity of little batteries is expressed in milliamps; the capacity of bigger batteries is expressed in Amps (Amperes). There's 1000 little tiny milliamps in 1 Amp. When the capacity is applied to time, mAh means milliamp hours. (500mAh = 0.5Ah)

OK, now IF (if ... if ... if) your 280mAh battery powers a device for 280 minutes (as an example), then a 380mAh battery will power that device for 380 minutes (in theory, and assuming the exact same conditions).

Now, re: the 3000mAh Li Ion battery - that is not going to fit into an enclosure the size of your penlight case. It is going to be about 18mm in diameter; your penlight battery is about 8mm in diameter. So ... that's why it's called a "mod" (modification). The reason for "modding" is to get more capacity (longer usage time per charge) and economy (these are off-the-shelf batteries) and utility (they are easily replaced).

The easiest "non-mod" for you would be the KR 380mAh battery - re-read the reasons in my last post.

Good Luck!

P. S. Check out this thread (it's in Modder's Forum > Battery Mods Sub-Forum):
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/battery-mods/53016-flashlight-mod.html

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[Puffice]

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Erm . . . you're probably distracted with work or something? I explained mAh capacity of a battery in post #6 of this thread and you quoted me in your post #9 of this thread ... it's one of those words in red letters?

Yep, the capacity of little batteries is expressed in milliamps; the capacity of bigger batteries is expressed in Amps (Amperes). There's 1000 little tiny milliamps in 1 Amp. When the capacity is applied to time, mAh means milliamp hours. (500mAh = 0.5Ah)

OK, now IF (if ... if ... if) your 280mAh battery powers a device for 280 minutes (as an example), then a 380mAh battery will power that device for 380 minutes (in theory, and assuming the exact same conditions).

Now, re: the 3000mAh Li Ion battery - that is not going to fit into an enclosure the size of your penlight case. It is going to be about 18mm in diameter; your penlight battery is about 8mm in diameter. So ... that's why it's called a "mod" (modification). The reason for "modding" is to get more capacity (longer usage time per charge) and economy (these are off-the-shelf batteries) and utility (they are easily replaced).

The easiest "non-mod" for you would be the KR 380mAh battery - re-read the reasons in my last post.

Good Luck!

P. S. Check out this thread (it's in Modder's Forum > Battery Mods Sub-Forum):
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/battery-mods/53016-flashlight-mod.html

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Well as it turns out I have the 380 mAH battery , which is what I was trying to figure out. I really do not see much difference in it than the others that are lower.I only bought it later because I liked the pen style.
As I said I am not up on the components or how they work and most of the sites do not explain their differences or uses.Thanks for the info.

 

[CaptJay]

I agree with you on the cart vs ciggies thing - if a couple of drips on my atty bridge = a couple of cigs then my smoking has increased from one pack to about 20 packs a day. SO yeah, don't believe that claim about juice amounts vs actual cigarettes.
If I ever take up smoking again I would smoke the entire supply for the south in about a week - apparently.
For me it 'feels' like a couple of drips = half or less of one cig.
Not sure how big carts your are, presumably a lot bigger than 510 carts, and they don't last me hardly any time at all. And I used to smoke ultra lights.
perhaps the comparison ratios are based on amounts of nic per item but even then, I think the numbers are all wrong so now i disregard them entirely and just vape when i want and stop when I want. I know this isn't a technical informative post but I wanted to chime in regardless

 

[Iammoonie]

Puffice...what can i say...? you should probly just have some one do this for you

 

[Puffice]

Puffice...what can i say...? you should probly just have some one do this for you

Oh I don't think that is necessary, I have looked at a few and think if I decide to order one it will be ok. They are just bigger than I wanted to go.