Ok, now I need help

[bbx123]

Ok, I've been sporadically vaping for less than a month, so please excuse the repeat questions.

Background:
I have a 501 from Nic. Nirvana. This thing was great at first.
I tried the liquid in a empty cart and that wasn't my style and was inconsistent, one time burnt, etc. I did clean the atty out and did the blow thing alot...

Either way I wanted convenience more, so I bought: about 15 cartomizers, a "cheaper" USB pass, and 10 filled cartridges. These are from a place which seems to be very well reviewed on this board, with great prices.

Now:
For the last week or so, I get a really nasty burnt taste, and chemical burning sensation, the roof of my mouth hurts, and coughing fits and there is very little vapor. First hit seems ok, then any after aren't much and what does come is unpleasant. Of course nothing like this from an analog right after.

-Battery: charged
-USB pass: dont use much, so thats not it
-Cartomizers: they vary (a couple gave me bad juice mouth, a couple were awesome) but considering there are 15, they can't all be bad, right?
-Atomizer: I get better vapor with my atomizer than the cartomizers, but its only for a few puffs
-**Strength: the seller suggested it might be from the extra high nic level I ordered, though I had similar coughing problems with "medium" liquid
-PG vs VG: The carts & cartomizers both use VG. I think thats prob better for me, but I will leave it open as a question. I would think the VG in these cartridges/cartomizers would make more vapor than previous ones I have tried.

So...
Any suggestions on the cause?
I guess I am confused because if the battery is ok, then the cartomizers should work fine with them. It is the original atomizer from 3 weeks ago.

Time for a new atomizer or battery? I really hope this sounds like what happens when one needs to be replaced, cause thats easier to know.
If I do get one should I just go right for a high V, ego, or better one? I really want clouds of vapor, thats the only way this thing can come close to an analog. I think I like even better than analogs, the experience of a hookah, where you barely have to pull on it and there is just this huge cloud around your head.

Sorry for the ramble
Any help is appreciated, this is a definitely a learning experience, but slow and steady!

Peace

 

[zbasspro]

"Burnt" to me always means dry. Carto and juice mouth is easily fixed by blowing through the mouthpiece into a tissue for me anyway, it's usually when I overfill. You didn't state if you were filling yourself.

Prefilled carts just don't work well for long without some type of mod. I personally think your atty's probably ok if it's heating. You gave what seems like a lot of information, but more is needed. A dry atty will taste burnt and produce a vapor that causes me to cough or gag. I'm also assuming you meant 510 and not 901? You should be able to blow clouds with a 510.

 

[keyzygirl]

I have recently discovered LR attys on an ego and the vapor is awesome.I would think it would be pretty good on a 510 batt also.maybe you could try that.Look for a sale.

 

[TWolf]

I have recently discovered LR attys on an ego and the vapor is awesome.I would think it would be pretty good on a 510 batt also.maybe you could try that.Look for a sale.

If the OP is using a regular 510, they will not support a LR atty. Think you need over 600 mAh for LR. The eGo has 650 mAh.

 

[keyzygirl]

Oh,I didnt know that,Thanks.

 

[bbx123]

"Burnt" to me always means dry. Carto and juice mouth is easily fixed by blowing through the mouthpiece into a tissue for me anyway, it's usually when I overfill. You didn't state if you were filling yourself.

Prefilled carts just don't work well for long without some type of mod. I personally think your atty's probably ok if it's heating. You gave what seems like a lot of information, but more is needed. A dry atty will taste burnt and produce a vapor that causes me to cough or gag. I'm also assuming you meant 510 and not 901? You should be able to blow clouds with a 510.

Hi, thanks for the response zbasspro.
I don't fill them (yet), they are prefilled cartomizers. The liquid seems pretty good. One or two of the 15 or so are juice mouthers or right off the bat not as good as the others -- but the blow method does seem to work eventually.

"Burnt to me always means dry. ...A dry atty will taste burnt and produce a vapor that causes me to cough or gag."
- Hmmm. This could be part of it (or it). After reading this I dropped a few drops inside the atty and that did help a little. Yes I meant a 510

"I personally think your atty's probably ok if it's heating."
- Its heating. It actually gets really hot to touch after. This wasn't something I noticed when I first got it.

Still no clouds with the 510. I was able to get some mini-clouds if I "short-puffed" like a hookah, not really inhaling, more of a mouthful draw. When I first got the kit I did a deep lung draw and there was lots of vapor.
Do people do a combo of both mouth and lung drags with e-cigs? I guess analog smoking is primarily lung draw. (Its amazing how the analog addiction keeps you from noticing how hard and deep into the lungs you are dragging).

The vapor that does come up actually stings the end of my tongue a bit, but thats probably just my tongue.

I feel like such a noob, and like learning to ride a bike as a 35 yr old. Hahah.

I will probably have to learn these seemingly common sense techniques with vaping in general anyway, but I think I will take the plunge on an ego so I can get more vapor.

Thanks to Twolf and keyzy for the responses.

Anyone see a sale for an ego kit of batt & charger + LR atty?
I saw one at one of the sites for about 70 but it is out of stock now.

 

[stalnakerz]

The tongue sting may be the flavor you are using. I've noticed if I use a strong flavor, I'll get that from time to time.

Look for a Riva kit. Basically just a pumped up Ego but they sell for cheaper than the Ego's.

 

[mom_life_love]

I found it really helpful to go onto youtube and watch different video how to's : how to draw, how to refill, atty issues etc. I think this is because I am mostly a visual learner
Good luck!

 

[jimho]

Ok, I've been sporadically vaping for less than a month, so please excuse the repeat questions.

Background:
I have a 501 from Nic. Nirvana. This thing was great at first.
I tried the liquid in a empty cart and that wasn't my style and was inconsistent, one time burnt, etc. I did clean the atty out and did the blow thing alot...

Either way I wanted convenience more, so I bought: about 15 cartomizers, a "cheaper" USB pass, and 10 filled cartridges. These are from a place which seems to be very well reviewed on this board, with great prices.

Now:
For the last week or so, I get a really nasty burnt taste, and chemical burning sensation, the roof of my mouth hurts, and coughing fits and there is very little vapor. First hit seems ok, then any after aren't much and what does come is unpleasant. Of course nothing like this from an analog right after.

-Battery: charged
-USB pass: dont use much, so thats not it
-Cartomizers: they vary (a couple gave me bad juice mouth, a couple were awesome) but considering there are 15, they can't all be bad, right?
-Atomizer: I get better vapor with my atomizer than the cartomizers, but its only for a few puffs
-**Strength: the seller suggested it might be from the extra high nic level I ordered, though I had similar coughing problems with "medium" liquid
-PG vs VG: The carts & cartomizers both use VG. I think thats prob better for me, but I will leave it open as a question. I would think the VG in these cartridges/cartomizers would make more vapor than previous ones I have tried.

So...
Any suggestions on the cause?
I guess I am confused because if the battery is ok, then the cartomizers should work fine with them. It is the original atomizer from 3 weeks ago.

Time for a new atomizer or battery? I really hope this sounds like what happens when one needs to be replaced, cause thats easier to know.
If I do get one should I just go right for a high V, ego, or better one? I really want clouds of vapor, thats the only way this thing can come close to an analog. I think I like even better than analogs, the experience of a hookah, where you barely have to pull on it and there is just this huge cloud around your head.

Sorry for the ramble
Any help is appreciated, this is a definitely a learning experience, but slow and steady!

Peace

Couple of thoughts-
I only tried cartos once so this is mostly about attys-

Not to overlook the obvious, are you sure you are lining your cart up correctly with the atty? the outline of your cart should line up with/match the outline of the slot that the wyck passes through on your atty- it's actually opposite from the direction the wyck passes over the bridge...
With Attys, Burning taste is usually due to cart in wrong direction or dry attie.

Several things could cause some of the other problems you are seeing:

It's possible that you have alot of gunk in your atty-or it's near flooded- this would explain why you are getting what sounds like hot juice in your mouth instead of vapor. I suggest you soak/rinse it out in vodka- give it a good soak and agitate it... you can just blow it out well, do a quick dry burn and then use it as normal ....

you didn't mention if you are using auto batteries or manual. with auto, are you doing a pre draw to fully heat the atty before you take a ? Similarly with manual, do you press before you draw or after? try both and see what works... also if you are drawing too hard you might be sucking juice before it atomizes.

Re changing batteries and carts- always a good idea to have spares for both available. IT's possible that there is a problem with one or the other- Given you have a problem with the carts as well I wouldn't rule out a faulty battery. Since you also have a USB passthrough, are you seeing the same problems there?


RE: Plumes of smoke and the eGo... don't expect a hukkah effect here- you'll get a lot of vapor but nothing close to a hukkah. The eGo is better than the standard 510 because you get a bigger battery - it will run longer without a recharge and will also allow you to run more than 3 or 4 puffs on a LR atty- you can run the LR atties on standard 510 batterys but don't expect them to last very long between charges.....

Also, the eGo has as part of its design a cone that restricts the airflow through your atty. This nets out to a hotter burn and vaporizes even more juice... even with an LR on the eGo it's still not quite the same as a true 3.7V mod with a LR atty.


Overall, my advice is first make sure your atty is getting enough juice and is properly alingned and NOT flooded, and then change 1 thing at a time till you figure out what it is..,.

 

[jimho]

And if you want hookah like vapor production, get a true 3.7V device with an LR atty or a 5V device with standard atty. The eGo is great but even with LR atties it's not as great as my prodigy V3 at 3.7V with the same atty....

 

[candy_93454]

some people have allergy to v/g or vice versa p/g. the burnt taste to me sounds like you need more juice should keep your carts wet every 10-15 puffs and a drop or to of juice so you stay wet

 

[deej]

In all honesty. From experience and forum reading. your also experiencing plastic fumes. 510 carts (mouth piece) slowly melt. I switched to stainless steel drip tips because of this. Read up on dripping. And better yet, battery mods.

 

[bbx123]

THanks to everyone and the specific advise here.
Its really appreciated.

Ended up getting a Riva kit at Nhaler, which comes with the 306 LR Atty and drip tip. Looking at it today I wonder if I should have gotten their "Magnum" kit for the simulated 5v. In either case I guess I should start learning about the 3v+ stuff now

THanks again guys, I have yet to soak in all the good tips.

And if you want hookah like vapor production, get a true 3.7V device with an LR atty or a 5V device with standard atty. The eGo is great but even with LR atties it's not as great as my prodigy V3 at 3.7V with the same atty....

I think a 3.7/5v will be next if this doesnt do it.

 

[Sassy Sadie]

If your using an atomizer it could be burning out... try blowing it out if that doesn't work you may need a new one. I enjoy atomizers but learning how to keep them moist without flooding them has been quite a learning experience. I found that after a few drags I needed to add a few drops of juice and that has eliminated the burnt taste that comes from a dry cartridge (which is an awful taste).

 

[bbx123]

Thanks Sassy, I'm starting to see you need to prime things alot.

WOW- Ordered the Riva kit on Mon 12 noon, got it today, Tues @ 4pm. About a day, order time included!! Go nhaler.
First few puffs are good. Now I have to figure out which one is the LR atty (the extra piece/the black one, has a sealed cap with hole, looks just like a cartomizer?)

I love the way the titanium Riva feels in your hand, like a real piece of equipment!

Time to go experiment.

 

[Sassy Sadie]

I started with the 510 but lately Ive been vapen the Dlite (016) from socal vapers their customer service is awesome too. The right piece of equipment REALLY makes all the difference in the world ~happy Vapen~