Omg Nicotine Juice.
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Save your money and make your own. There's no reason at all to pay nic liquid prices for 0 nic liquid - just buy propylene glycol and/or glycerin and some flavorings. Experiment with the flavorings and eventually you'll find what you like for a fraction of the price.
If you want a good throat hit with 0 nic, try adding a little 100 proof Vodka (100 proof Smirnoff was suggested by Sun Vaporer) to the mix. It shouldn't take much, so go easy (start with 1ml per 10ml batch and adjust from there).
Although I don't necessarily see any real benefits from switching to no-nicotine liquid, I understand that some people don't feel comfortable being addicted to anything.
However, while the amount of alcohol seems small, it escapes me why would anyone prefer replacing nicotine with alcohol that is addictive substance itself, in addition to having proven negative long term effects?
Because Alcohol has been shown to give better throat hits.
That, and the minute amount of alcohol getting into the system is amazingly small, when compared to even a single beer.
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You do realize that nicotine itself has been shown to be a big factor in increasing the risk of blood clots don't you?
My husband could have died from a blood clot he had in his 30s, and his father died in his 50s from a stroke. One friend of ours did die at age 38 of blood clots a few years ago, apparently due to sitting at a computer 5-6 hours every night. To imply that the only reason for me wanting my husband to lower and eventually quit his nicotine intake is not wanting him to be addicted to anything is ridiculous.
E-cigarettes are great, but people should be aware that nicotine itself has other impacts upon the body. IMO, this goes especially for those with more risk factors toward things like blood clots, such as those who spend long hours in front of a computer.
Personally I am switching between low and medium in an effort to cut back my nic levels. My wife is already on zero and just takes a puff of medium in the rare cases she needs a little nic boost.
My problems with other "quit smoking devices" is that I ENJOY SMOKING. That is whay Ilike this product so much. I think it will be easier to give up niccotine that it will be to quit "smoking" (vaping).
My problems with other "quit smoking devices" is that I ENJOY SMOKING. That is whay Ilike this product so much. I think it will be easier to give up niccotine that it will be to quit "smoking" (vaping).
To be honest, no, I never really heard that. My doctor tells me that nicotine should be the least of my worries, but then again we were focused on differences between ecigs and analogs. Can you point me to the explanation or a study? I do know that short term effects can be quite severe, even deadly, as in increased hearth rate, higher blood pressure, etc, but never really found any source that would claim that there are long term effects as well. It could be just my plain ignorance.
On the other hand, I was really focused on the alcohol comparison. Now for this drug, I did found many sources that it can cause terrible effects on your liver, and multitude of other problems, even in its purest forms. But I always thought that any smoking related problems are proven to be caused by other ingredients of tobacco smoke. BTW, how did they test long term nicotine effects without the rest of the chemicals. Should we try to avoid potatoes and tomatoes as well? What is the triggering concentration?
It might sound like that, but I am not trying to be sarcastic here, just trying to learn to be able to make informed decisions. E.g. if I completely cut alcohol, bad fats and carbs, can I afford some coffee and nicotine in my life? I can commit to not having another single piece of fried chicken or a beer for the rest of my life if that gives me another 1mg of nicotine per day, just like that. Then give up ice cream for another 1 mg. And so it goes.
Is inhalable alcohol a good idea? - By Amanda Schaffer - Slate Magazine
"....are all caused by ethanol itself and would occur whether it was ingested or inhaled. Acetaldehyde, too, would be produced in either case since most ethanol in the blood is broken down by the liver."
"....are all caused by ethanol itself and would occur whether it was ingested or inhaled. Acetaldehyde, too, would be produced in either case since most ethanol in the blood is broken down by the liver."
Sunshine and tvujec, I believe it is an oversimplication to say that nicotine alone is such a cardiovascular culprit. There are studies indicating that it is nicotine in conjunction with the products of combustion, and especially carbon monoxide, that cause cardiovascular problems. This is also what I've been told by my cardiovascular surgeon.
For a longish quote from one such study, take a look at this post I just made yesterday:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/17140-heart-problems.html#post279003
For a longish quote from one such study, take a look at this post I just made yesterday:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/17140-heart-problems.html#post279003
No not nicotine alone. In fact, the people that affects don't even have to be smokers at all. I'm told that "deep vein thrombosis blood clots brought on by long stationary periods" affects a great many people of all ages. Heck, I know 3 people who had significant problems from blood clots while still under 40 years old and one of them died. The friends of the latter now try to pass the word that whenever one is sitting for long hours, they should make it a special point to get up and stretch every two hours or so.
Knowing that nicotine can and does enhance this danger, means that I make extra sure my smoker and vaping friends know about this. I figured that people should now that nicotine isn't a perfectly harmless addiction as the intitial post seemed to imply.
I'm not sure about the long term effects. Indeed, that didn't seem pertinent as blood clots have a distressing tendency of killing very suddenly no matter the age group. I read a number of sources saying that nicotine was a cause of blood clots back after my husband almost died from his. You could check in google.
Sorry Tvujec, I don't vape with alcohol and don't tend to drink much.
Choose your own balance, everyone has to.
If one has a job or hobby which includes sitting for long periods of time, as I'm sure many people here do, they should at least be aware of additional risks in that. The comment about people lowering or quitting nicotine merely because they "don't feel comfortable being addicted to anything" made it sound like a silly thing to do - presumably because there's absolutely no other reason people might do so. I'm just saying there are other reasons people quit nicotine.
Now I feel lost. I did check google, and top 3 result links are coming from search in scholarly articles. First two are actually claiming that there is no proven long term effect on DVT, with possibility of actual benefit (!?) since smoking increases ability of weight control. The third doesn't mention the nicotine in the abstract.
Just for reference, I searched for:
deep vein thrombosis nicotine
The problem is that I don't feel capable, because information available to me suggests that cutting from one ice-cream a week to one a month probably has better chance of positive effects in regards to DVT on my health than completely removing nicotine.
I feel like there is a true crusade against nicotine from the hard core anti-smoking groups out there which makes it difficult to judge what are the facts one should consider. E.g. they are the ones pointing out studies claiming that nicotine enhances cancer cell growth. Studies are indeed legitimate, but what they don't tell you is that sugar does the same thing. And not even "bad sugar" but plain glucose that our body uses to transport energy around. With that kind of information misuse, how can I or anyone else trust interpretations of studies without references?
DVT is indeed one thing that I worry about a lot because of my family history. Many of my relatives suffered from it, with 3 of my grandparents dying from it, all non-smokers. Their smoking relatives had no major problems with it. That might as well be a coincidence, but I was always much more worried about food and alcohol.
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