Panasonic NCR18650B Super Max 3.7V 3400mAh and a .8ohm build?

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Hey guys this is my first post in the forum but I'm by no means a n00b when it comes to general vaping knowledge. I've been vaping for a solid 10 months on a few different VV/VWs and not It's time for me to move on to the Mech Mods. I bought a brass Nemesis and I can't wait for it to get here! I bought two RDA's a Trident V2 and an Omega and 2 Panasonic NCR 18650Bs(I wanted the long run time) because I vape all day. I plan to have a .8ohm build and I have a ohm reader and everything I need to build safely. Now, many different places on this forum I have seen strong recommendations against using the Panasonic NCR 18650Bs because they are rated at a 6.8A output which is not considered "high drain" HOWEVER if we plug a .8 ohm build in to an Ohm's Law calculator we see that at 3.7V and .8ohms we are drawing 4.625 A and 17.1125 Watts. So why then are these batteries regularly regarded as not safe to use in a sub ohm application. Even if we bumped down to .6 build it would still be within the 6.8A output of the batteries. So why then do people over and over again not recommend them? Can someone explain this to me please. Perhaps I'm missing something.:confused:
 

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Here's why you hear that:

1) Unless you're spending hundreds of dollars on a Fluke, your ohm reader is going to have a margin for error. If your coil reads .8, it may actually be .5. That's a pretty normal margin for the meters we tend to use.

2) It's usually recommended to stay at or under half of the continuous amp rating of your battery, so in this case, you want to stay at or below 3.4A, which means 1.2 ohms or so on a fully charged 4.2V battery (which really means 1.5 ohms - remember that margin for error on your meter?). Maximum continuous discharge rating is a MAXIMUM, not "you can safely run it here regularly."

3) The NCR 18650B is a protected Li-ion battery, not a high drain IMR (safer chemistry) battery. If the protection fails and it goes thermal, it will explode. You don't want that to happen in your hand or near your face. These batteries are borderline ok (but not recommended) for regulated mods that have their own built-in protection for redundancy, but in a mech, you're literally playing with fire. They aren't designed for high drain use scenarios like sub-ohm vaping.

And finally, 4) Life is unpredictable and you never know what's going to happen. I recently read a post from someone who fried a battery just taking the battery cap off of his mod. A spring came loose somewhere inside the device and managed to short the battery. That's the kind of thing you can't control, and it doesn't matter what resistance your coil is or how carefully you did your math. Sometimes strange things just happen. You want to make sure you're prepared and/or protected when they do.

The biggest key to sub-ohming safely (besides only using high drain IMR batteries) is margin for error. You have to leave yourself LOTS of room to cover mistakes, inaccurate equipment, and/or anything else that may come up. Running 5.25 amps on a non-IMR battery that's only rated at 6.8 amps is not NEARLY enough headroom.

If you want to start experimenting with mechs and you're going sub-ohm right off the bat, do yourself a favor and order a few Sony VTC5s. Those have a 30 amp rating, which will be plenty of headroom for your .8ohm coil, even if it's really .5 ohms. And if you decide later that you want more, it's still enough headroom when the coil you measured at .6 ohms is actually .3 in the real world (which would be 14 amps at 58.8 watts on a fully charged 4.2v battery).

Does that make sense?
 
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Also, as far as vaping all day on one battery goes, that's just a trade-off you have to make when using setups like this. When you think about it, it's already pretty amazing how much power they manage to cram into a 2 inch cylinder, but they can only hold so much. Running at high wattage and high amperage uses that power up really quickly. The only way to really do it is to carry around extra batteries (in a safe plastic battery case, please!) or use your VV/VW protected mods in addition to the mech - the VV can cover most of the day and the mech comes out for a little while at a time.
 
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