Part Deux - About COPD weighs on the safety of Eclipse?

Status
Not open for further replies.

MattZuke

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Feb 28, 2011
317
83
A, A

Placebo Effect

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Sep 19, 2008
1,444
1,562
I'd bet that inhaling the steam from a tea kettle for 5 minutes followed by a lung function test would show detrimental conclusions, also.

What I found most funny is that on her Facebook page, right below her fearmongering and inaccurate info about e-cigs is an article about how lifelong "mary jane" users don't have long-term lung damage. :facepalm:

And yes, I laughed quite a bit when I saw that she included two studies on Eclipse.
 

EJH

Senior Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Dec 1, 2011
92
60
New York, USA
While I'm sure Ms. Leader is a good nurse and is dedicated enough to write about issues her patients might care about, her journalistic skills leave much to be desired. Regurgitating agenda-biased press releases (again with the FDA? Sheesh) and proffering information that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand is news-reporting in its lowest form.

Saying Eclipse is an e-cigarette is an example of her shockingly bad research skills. Rewording and re-presenting an FDA report that is deceptive at best and deceitful at worst again displays her amateur standing as a reporter.

AFAIK, About.com pays their "experts" on a per-click basis. Another thing to consider when evaluating Ms. Leader's "impartiality."

I urge Ms. Leader to stick with what she knows professionally. In other words, don't quit your day job.
 

rolygate

Vaping Master
Supporting Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Sep 24, 2009
8,354
12,405
ECF Towers
At least her latest article is a little more balanced. In terms of the general output of the loony fringe of the medical profession, this seems fairly mild.

Research is not exactly their strong point: untrue, hysterical and propaganda-based press releases seem to be the main basis for their information, when research trials with cleverly-massaged results are not available. At least we are not over-encumbered by perverted clinical trials, since the culprits are swiftly denounced as crooks, liars and incompetents by those professors of medicine who are aware of the facts.

However perhaps we should try to educate not condemn, most of us were uneducated at some point.
 

rolygate

Vaping Master
Supporting Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Sep 24, 2009
8,354
12,405
ECF Towers
Thanks, but it's not really wisdom - just a practical approach.

There are people who have a financial interest in opposing e-cigarettes, and it is impossible to influence them because a great deal of money is at stake, and maybe their jobs. In this category we could put the pharma industry, some of the tobacco industry, and state / federal tax agencies. The pharma industry will be the biggest losers in the end because they depend on smokers for two income streams: quit-smoking drugs, and all the treatment drugs for ill smokers. The first, NRTs and suchlike, are a billion dollar a year market. The second - chemotherapy, COPD, and cardiovascular drugs for example - are at least ten times that size. This income will take a 50% hit or more eventually (it cost them 40% of income in Sweden, and e-cigs will be bigger than Snus), and their pain will be intense.

Then there are people who have a vested interest in opposing e-cigarettes because their jobs depend on it. These are mainly in the pharma front groups and the tobacco control industry - but if 50% of smokers don't die or get ill, there will obviously be a reduction in demand for their services. In fact some jobs will go in many areas of healthcare. It is hard to influence these people because their need to keep their job means that, even subconsciously, they will oppose anything that means their job will disappear.

Then we have the medical profession in general. Rightly, perhaps, they regard anything that looks like a cigarette, has a similar name to a cigarette, and contains nicotine, as somewhat suspect. It is hard to argue with that opinion. However when it is pointed out that:
  • First-generation e-cigs were only made to look like that because otherwise no smokers would have bought them.
  • They are named that way because no smokers will find them or buy them otherwise.
  • The ingredients are similar to those in the nebulizers that lung transplant patients are given.
  • Nicotine is harmless, except for a small number of individuals, when consumed responsibly. In fact the pharmaceutical industry were able to prove that long-term nicotine use is harmless when they successfully applied for long-term licensing for NRTs - by using the Snus data from Sweden. There is no other data for long-term use of nicotine.
  • A Snus user has about the same risk as a non-smoker.
...then it is hard for the more intelligent among them to dismiss the fact that e-cigarette use will most likely be found harmless (apart from some intolerant individuals, as may be expected).

And when the papers published against e-cigarettes that seem to have some sort of pseudo-medical implications are exposed as the work of crooks, liars and incompetents by the professors of medicine who actually know the facts, it does help.

One of the major tasks in front of us is to educate some of the medical profession. It's just better to do that by assistance and encouragement than by outright criticism. In general their work depends on methods that have been in place for twenty years or more, and they are institutionally opposed to anything new. In twenty years time, e-cigs will be accepted as the #1 weapon against smoking-related death and disease, and there won't be any argument about it.

Well, except from the usual suspects...
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread