*Note: I hope the Mods will clean this up if some blanket references might be too close to violating the TOS, I have done my best to "tread lightly". Also, names have been changed*
I posted earlier today for something to print out for my case manager at the facility I go to which treats mental health issues and substance abuse. My case manager, Dave, had showed a tremendous amount of interest in ecigs, etc., when we talked on the phone earlier today as many of his clients have wanted to quit the stinkies, but psychotropic meds make it pretty tough (I'm in that group), and substance abusers have plenty to deal with as far as withdrawals and such. All clients who go into the PHU (Psychiatric Health Unit) which covers all the above, are stuck with a Nic patch for their stay (many get sick because of the constant nic being trans-dermally absorbed into their bodies) and sometimes it takes a bit to get it at the right dosage. Sure enough, with that constant nic, the first thing they want when their "status" changes, or they are released, is a stinkie. Like a pack of stinkies! I know, I was in those units twice in 4 years after being diagnose with PTDS, Panic Disorder, and Chronic Depression, at the age of 29, yep, it sucked.
Dave had heard of e-cigs, hadn't really "seen" one, but some of his clients had referred to them when they talked about being tobacco free. Dave was totally mystified, but no one really got into specifics. Then you have to realize many of his clients have a different state of reality and can be a bit confusing when trying to explain things. He said he really wanted to talk to me about e-cigs and "baking", lol, he couldn't figure out I was saying "vaping", and asked if I could get in 10 minutes earlier for my face to face with him before I saw my Doc.
I have to say here that Dave is one of 4 awesome case managers I've had over the last 23 years. Case managers are usually someone who came into the facility as a "client" and found their calling helping others. Dude is tough, cold turkey, "balls to the wall', he did it all in one fell swoop, including stinkies. He has my full trust and admiration.
I copied off quite a few things off of CASAA (thank you dearly, Caridwen, you were in the right place at the right time!) wrote down online site addys, ie., ECF, a few of the "get your feet wet" vendors and the name, number and address of, the yet to be visited, "J Vapes, up in Prescott. I grabbed all of the cards sent by vendors that had the % off your next purchase, a bottle of MBV's Butterscotch (ok, you've got to go slow, complex flavors will probably just give you a sniff and a weird stare!), made sure my APV was filled, and on to the journey into Prescott!
(Before I go on, I have to tell you I did a bit of research, ie "lurking" on J Vapes online shop. I found a juice called "Last Chance Intervention". (You can look up the actual org. LCI online) A dollar from every purchase of that juice goes to that organization. J Vapes Paying it Forward!)
Dave was totally amazed! He could have just said, 'Oh cool, thanks", at that would have been it..........but he was DIGGIN' it! As we were talking, one of his clients was on his way out. Dave grabbed his arm and asked him if he "baked", ok, seriously, I SPELLED it for him this time!
The client pulled out an e-cig, whoa, way cool! I took out my eVic and Kanger PT2, more amazement. Then I pulled out MBV's Butterscotch..they were both blown away by the smell and his client said "Damn, I can be vaping this instead of tobacco flavor? WTH?" Dave handed him a card from MBV with the 10% off. I told him to go to J Vapes and check it out.
We all had huge smiles on our faces!
Thing is, Dave has an "in". He knows one of the founders of LCI. I put it to him "What if you and he could talk to J Vapes about providing discounted "starter Kits" to clients of this facility?" You need to understand, psychotropic meds play hell on your teeth and gums, and if you're on disability, there is NO DENTAL care. Anti-depressants, as other meds, cause dry mouth, periodontal disease, and a far greater environment for cavities to flourish. Because of the "happy chemicals" in nic, many on disability continue smoking, because the patch and gum just don't cut it, and the mg's of Wellbutrin or other meds they're taking, that are used in smoking cessation, are in the "therapeutic level" indicated for depression, far higher than what is used to quit analogs.
It's just planting a seed, but I know Dave is going to be giving those cards out..........who knows where it will go....I did make it clear that vaping was an alternative, a healthier alternative from what we know at this point, and that many people have quit analogs by vaping.
I started typing this at 4:00 this afternoon, got side tracked with a bunch of stuff and am too tired to write any more, and it's now 11:00 pm. When my one year off of analogs comes up the first part of January, I'll have to see what comes up to pay it forward then.
BTW: Some people you just know don't want to hear about ecigs or vaping. The med tech there, that does my pulse and weight, is all about statistics, I knew when she started down the "they don't know what pg/vg does" after I said something about a "healthier alternative" that it wasn't going to go anywhere. I'm pretty sure she likes her analogs too much to want to try anything else
I posted earlier today for something to print out for my case manager at the facility I go to which treats mental health issues and substance abuse. My case manager, Dave, had showed a tremendous amount of interest in ecigs, etc., when we talked on the phone earlier today as many of his clients have wanted to quit the stinkies, but psychotropic meds make it pretty tough (I'm in that group), and substance abusers have plenty to deal with as far as withdrawals and such. All clients who go into the PHU (Psychiatric Health Unit) which covers all the above, are stuck with a Nic patch for their stay (many get sick because of the constant nic being trans-dermally absorbed into their bodies) and sometimes it takes a bit to get it at the right dosage. Sure enough, with that constant nic, the first thing they want when their "status" changes, or they are released, is a stinkie. Like a pack of stinkies! I know, I was in those units twice in 4 years after being diagnose with PTDS, Panic Disorder, and Chronic Depression, at the age of 29, yep, it sucked.
Dave had heard of e-cigs, hadn't really "seen" one, but some of his clients had referred to them when they talked about being tobacco free. Dave was totally mystified, but no one really got into specifics. Then you have to realize many of his clients have a different state of reality and can be a bit confusing when trying to explain things. He said he really wanted to talk to me about e-cigs and "baking", lol, he couldn't figure out I was saying "vaping", and asked if I could get in 10 minutes earlier for my face to face with him before I saw my Doc.
I have to say here that Dave is one of 4 awesome case managers I've had over the last 23 years. Case managers are usually someone who came into the facility as a "client" and found their calling helping others. Dude is tough, cold turkey, "balls to the wall', he did it all in one fell swoop, including stinkies. He has my full trust and admiration.
I copied off quite a few things off of CASAA (thank you dearly, Caridwen, you were in the right place at the right time!) wrote down online site addys, ie., ECF, a few of the "get your feet wet" vendors and the name, number and address of, the yet to be visited, "J Vapes, up in Prescott. I grabbed all of the cards sent by vendors that had the % off your next purchase, a bottle of MBV's Butterscotch (ok, you've got to go slow, complex flavors will probably just give you a sniff and a weird stare!), made sure my APV was filled, and on to the journey into Prescott!
(Before I go on, I have to tell you I did a bit of research, ie "lurking" on J Vapes online shop. I found a juice called "Last Chance Intervention". (You can look up the actual org. LCI online) A dollar from every purchase of that juice goes to that organization. J Vapes Paying it Forward!)
Dave was totally amazed! He could have just said, 'Oh cool, thanks", at that would have been it..........but he was DIGGIN' it! As we were talking, one of his clients was on his way out. Dave grabbed his arm and asked him if he "baked", ok, seriously, I SPELLED it for him this time!
The client pulled out an e-cig, whoa, way cool! I took out my eVic and Kanger PT2, more amazement. Then I pulled out MBV's Butterscotch..they were both blown away by the smell and his client said "Damn, I can be vaping this instead of tobacco flavor? WTH?" Dave handed him a card from MBV with the 10% off. I told him to go to J Vapes and check it out. We all had huge smiles on our faces!Thing is, Dave has an "in". He knows one of the founders of LCI. I put it to him "What if you and he could talk to J Vapes about providing discounted "starter Kits" to clients of this facility?" You need to understand, psychotropic meds play hell on your teeth and gums, and if you're on disability, there is NO DENTAL care. Anti-depressants, as other meds, cause dry mouth, periodontal disease, and a far greater environment for cavities to flourish. Because of the "happy chemicals" in nic, many on disability continue smoking, because the patch and gum just don't cut it, and the mg's of Wellbutrin or other meds they're taking, that are used in smoking cessation, are in the "therapeutic level" indicated for depression, far higher than what is used to quit analogs.
It's just planting a seed, but I know Dave is going to be giving those cards out..........who knows where it will go....I did make it clear that vaping was an alternative, a healthier alternative from what we know at this point, and that many people have quit analogs by vaping.
I started typing this at 4:00 this afternoon, got side tracked with a bunch of stuff and am too tired to write any more, and it's now 11:00 pm. When my one year off of analogs comes up the first part of January, I'll have to see what comes up to pay it forward then.
BTW: Some people you just know don't want to hear about ecigs or vaping. The med tech there, that does my pulse and weight, is all about statistics, I knew when she started down the "they don't know what pg/vg does" after I said something about a "healthier alternative" that it wasn't going to go anywhere. I'm pretty sure she likes her analogs too much to want to try anything else
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