Penstyle Benefits....

[Sun Vaporer]

It has everything to do with taste and preference Sun. You are missing that point.

The hotter burn makes for more throat hit. Some people prefer that.

In your opinion, it's better to go for a supposedly longer lasting coil. Without even getting into longevity (again, I have used both and I know which have lasted me longer), the difference in vapor and throat hit more than makes up for any difference in longevity, for some people.

I'm not telling you to recommend them. But I am telling you that which is bestter is a matter of opinion.

Yvilla----you have your opinion and made it quite clear that you like the draw and the throat hit of an RN407. My reccomendation of an 801 is from an objective aspect with an eye on better construction and design. Two totallly different things. Just like I loved an MGB I used to own--but it was not practical. So is the RN4072.

ADD--Noone is discounting like or dislike of the two units--that is not the issue, but do not discount the money, effort, and time being spent by us to get to the bottom of atomizer failure. The first thing we learned was about the higher burn rate and more residue build up on the coil of the RN4072--that is the price paid for that "better throat hit"--a price that is not very practical --forget about the flimsy wiring and mesh on the RN4072 as well--bottom line it is a cheaply constructed atomizer compared to the 801 or the M401 or the DSE901----Sun

 

[skex]

Yvilla----you have your opinion and made it quite clear that you like the draw and the throat hit of an RN407. My reccomendation of an 801 is from an objective aspect with an eye on better construction and design. Two totallly different things. Just like I loved an MGB I used to own--but it was not practical. So is the RN4072. ----Sun

You just made Yvilla's point.

You say that the 801 is superior on objective classifications but the classifications only prove that it is more durable. The quesiton of superiority is a matter of what ones criteria is.

No one would ever argue that GSXR Sport bike was more durable than a Ford Excursion but it most certainly would be ones preference in a comparison if you wanted to go fast. Just as if ones were planning on getting into a wreck you would most certainly prefer the Excursion.

Yvilla puts more value on the performance of the device, you put more value on the endurance. This is what we call a difference of oppinion. This is not an argument of something object like the fact that evolution happens and there are people who deny it in the face off all evidence.

This is a case as they say "where reasonable people can disagree".

 

[Sun Vaporer]

You just made Yvilla's point.

You say that the 801 is superior on objective classifications but the classifications only prove that it is more durable. The quesiton of superiority is a matter of what ones criteria is.

No one would ever argue that GSXR Sport bike was more durable than a Ford Excursion but it most certainly would be ones preference in a comparison if you wanted to go fast. Just as if ones were planning on getting into a wreck you would most certainly prefer the Excursion.

Yvilla puts more value on the performance of the device, you put more value on the endurance. This is what we call a difference of oppinion. This is not an argument of something object like the fact that evolution happens and there are people who deny it in the face off all evidence.

This is a case as they say "where reasonable people can disagree".

People--my first post here talked about design--my last post talked about design and this post is about design--if someone askes me what to buy--there is no way I am going to reccommend an RN4072--I am going to recommend an 801 due to the high failure rate of the RN4072--A good example is Kendra who just reported 5 new RN4072's that failed for her out of the box----there are so many other instances--but I think people understand what we are saying----Sun

 

[yvilla]

People--my first post here talked about design--my last post talked about design and this post is about design--

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A good example is Kendra who just reported 5 new RN4072's that failed for her out of the box

Sun, no, I'm not going to let you get away with that. Here is your first post - an unqualified statement that the 801 is a better unit. Nothing about design:

Just be sure to find the 801's versus the RN4072's as the 801 is a better unit----Sun

And ever thereafter, all I have been trying to do is get the point across that which is the better unit is a matter of opinion. No one is trying to get you to recommend anything.

And Kendra's problems are compatibility problems - not failure problems!

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Sun, I finally decided to chime in here - as I have seen you say the 801 is a better unit a million times.

I think that is a matter of opinion, and you ought to qualify it as such. I choose RN 4072 atomizers over 801s, as in my opinion they are better. I believe I'm not the only one who seeks out the RN model atomizers over the DSE models, and that includes the 4075s versus the 901s as well.

Yvilla--you decided to chime in and ask for an explanation--you got this one below:

Yvilla--that is not an opinion --from a mechanical point it is a fact. If you take an 801 and an RN4072 apart you will find much thicker guage wiring, a stronger bridge and a densed coil.. The contact points also on the 801 are sturdy unlike the Rn4072 that has wires so thin they snap just looking at them wrong. Also the coil in the RN4072 is smaller and the wire mesh is very loose and not strongly connected to the bridge.

So bottom line --no opinion--an 801( makes no diference wheather it is a true DSE801 or a Generic 801 like the BE112 has a much better construction and design. So it is not subjective like tasting e-liquid--it is very objective------and I for one am not going to tell people to go out and buy and inferior product-----Sun

Again if you like the RN4072 so much use them and tell people to buy them-We will be posting a whole series of pictures of the differences between the two so people can see for themselves --

I will stand by what many of us have concluded based on what we have scene--and continue to tell people that the 801 is a better unit based on fact and not opinion---and yes, threading issues are now becoming more prevelent with the RN4072's. Previoulsly this was not reported to often--but now it is being reported all to much---Heaven Gifts reports a 50/50 chance so that is an issue to watch out for with compatilblitly--Sun

 

[yvilla]

Does the term "deliberately obtuse" fit here?

I never asked you for an explanation of your statement Sun.

I simply asked you to qualify your statement as an opinion, which it is!

 

[milo]

I started the e-cig with a smokingeverywhere cig from the mall and wanted something better. I ordered a stainless penstyle from puresmoker but am not sure what model it is. My first experience with it was very good. The next day no matter how much I filled the filter or dripped in the atomizer, it had a horrible burning smell and awful taste that hurt my lungs and made me cough badly. I finally changed to a spare battery, atomizer and filter and it was great again.

I thought I had it licked but after an hour or less of using it, I had the same thing occur again. I no longer even get a flavor from the e-liquid that I am using but it works just fine in the smokingeverywhere cigs. So far I have tried 4 different filters, 2 batteries and 2 atomizers and get the same results with all of them now. I haven't gotten more than 3 hours use out of the penstyle all together. I'd say it was trash and throw it away but so many others rave about them that there must be something that I am doing wrong. Even the prefilled cartridges have nothing but a very nasty taste. It's almost the same as when you breath in burning plastic.

My wifes already upset that I spent $300 on the SE cigs now I can't tell her I wasted another $100 on a PS and supplies. Anyone else have this kind of problem and know what to do to correct it?


I just had a 10 hour flight and was needing a cig bad. I had to put the penstyle away because it was making me sick from the taste. I also have tried more than one flavor from different vendors with the same result

Desperate

 

[evanstock]

I'm a fan of the pen styles, but I recently ordered some m401's to try out. I took apart a pen style atomizer and I am not impressed with the material. Based on pictures only, the atomizer on the 401 looks like it is of better build quality, I will find out.

The things I like about pen styles: Long battery life, USB passthrough, and quality vapor production.

What I don't like: Crappy atomizers ( been through 3 in only 3 months!)
The size is a bit obnoxious, particularly the size of the atomizer casing.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

I started the e-cig with a smokingeverywhere cig from the mall and wanted something better. I ordered a stainless penstyle from puresmoker but am not sure what model it is. My first experience with it was very good. The next day no matter how much I filled the filter or dripped in the atomizer, it had a horrible burning smell and awful taste that hurt my lungs and made me cough badly. I finally changed to a spare battery, atomizer and filter and it was great again.

I thought I had it licked but after an hour or less of using it, I had the same thing occur again. I no longer even get a flavor from the e-liquid that I am using but it works just fine in the smokingeverywhere cigs. So far I have tried 4 different filters, 2 batteries and 2 atomizers and get the same results with all of them now. I haven't gotten more than 3 hours use out of the penstyle all together. I'd say it was trash and throw it away but so many others rave about them that there must be something that I am doing wrong. Even the prefilled cartridges have nothing but a very nasty taste. It's almost the same as when you breath in burning plastic.

My wifes already upset that I spent $300 on the SE cigs now I can't tell her I wasted another $100 on a PS and supplies. Anyone else have this kind of problem and know what to do to correct it?


I just had a 10 hour flight and was needing a cig bad. I had to put the penstyle away because it was making me sick from the taste. I also have tried more than one flavor from different vendors with the same result

Desperate

Hi Milo-- Sounds like you have gotten some of the polyester core on the bridge and wire mesh--everytime you heat the atomizer you are cooking that polyester and getting that taste--Try boiling the atomizers for 10 minutes and rinse them good --let dry and reprime with e-liquid and then give them another go--this might help---Sun

Note-- this is not my opinion–but based on my first hand knowledge that this may be the issue –Sun

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Does the term "deliberately obtuse" fit here?

I never asked you for an explanation of your statement Sun.

I simply asked you to qualify your statement as an opinion, which it is!

Yvilla--I was PMed as to what the issue was going on making such a fuss and after hearing what it was--I have no further comment for this nonsense---Sun

 

[spradling]

I will stand by what many of us have concluded based on what we have scene--and continue to tell people that the 801 is a better unit based on fact and not opinion---and yes, threading issues are now becoming more prevelent with the RN4072's. Previoulsly this was not reported to often--but now it is being reported all to much---Heaven Gifts reports a 50/50 chance so that is an issue to watch out for with compatilblitly--Sun

RN's don't only suck in design, THEY suck; look what it also says in the website:

"Attention:
We just got a notification from RN factory today that they would not provide guarantee for RN atomizers any more, so from March 31st, 2009, we do not provide guarantee for RN atomziers in future orders either. We already lowered the price for the RN atomizer and RN starter kit.
Yours sincerely,
Heaven Gifts
March 31st, 2009
______________________________________________________
As the factory didn't accept to lower their price for atomizers even without guarantee, we have to keep the price.

Yours sincerely,
Heaven Gifts
April 4th, 2009"

 

[OldBiker]

Sun - Heavens Gifts also says the factory no longer warrantys the RN4072, and they can't either because of that. They also state that they tried to get a lower price on them for this reason and the factory refused. As for my experience with an RN4072 it did work great - for 3 days, then the atty failed. The supplier I purchased it from is replacing the atomizer under their warranty though. I have since ordered some "real" 801 atomizers. Also Sun, are those pics online? If so could you point me toward them. I haven't had one fail out of warranty so I haven't taken one apart and I'm intensely curious.

Beat me to it Spradling! By 2 mins (b4 edit)

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Sun - Heavens Gifts also says the factory no longer warrantys the RN4072, and they can't either because of that. They also state that they tried to get a lower price on them for this reason and the factory refused. As for my experience with an RN4072 it did work great - for 3 days, then the atty failed. The supplier I purchased it from is replacing the atomizer under their warranty though. I have since ordered some "real" 801 atomizers. Also Sun, are those pics online? If so could you point me toward them. I haven't had one fail out of warranty so I haven't taken one apart and I'm intensely curious.

Beat me to it Spradling! By 2 mins (b4 edit)

RN's don't only suck in design, THEY suck; look what it also says in the website:

"Attention:
We just got a notification from RN factory today that they would not provide guarantee for RN atomizers any more, so from March 31st, 2009, we do not provide guarantee for RN atomziers in future orders either. We already lowered the price for the RN atomizer and RN starter kit.
Yours sincerely,
Heaven Gifts
March 31st, 2009
______________________________________________________
As the factory didn't accept to lower their price for atomizers even without guarantee, we have to keep the price.

Yours sincerely,
Heaven Gifts
April 4th, 2009"

Hello good people--thanks for the reports here--very important--I will be posting those photos right here so everyone can see what is going on with these RN4072's --they will be posted within tomorrow and I will post them right here in this thread---Thanks again -------Sun

 

[milo]

Hi Milo-- Sounds like you have gotten some of the polyester core on the bridge and wire mesh--everytime you heat the atomizer you are cooking that polyester and getting that taste--Try boiling the atomizers for 10 minutes and rinse them good --let dry and reprime with e-liquid and then give them another go--this might help---Sun

Note-- this is not my opinion–but based on my first hand knowledge that this may be the issue –Sun

Sounds logical because thats about what it tastes like. I'll give it a try