There was a recall on the clones. Apparently only about 20% of them worked and the rest were shorting. My shop got some and we ended up returning them because they were all shorting.
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There was a recall on the clones. Apparently only about 20% of them worked and the rest were shorting. My shop got some and we ended up returning them because they were all shorting.
I dont think clones should have the original "markings" of the legit real ones. That IS counterfeit. Now if someone wants to use someones design and not rip off trademarks/designs/ ect that cool in my book. Personally if they wanted to sell more REAL Krackens they wouldnt be so outrageous in price. Not all of us have 150 + bucks to drop on a tank system...
So how do you stop clones? Make the real thing at an affordable price, Then there is no reason to clone, everyone would just buy the real thing.
The Clones, do short as they dont drill out the center sleeve far enough and they have a small ledge that needs to be drilled out...they work if your willing to take them all apart. I dont have one, I just heard this works.
Someday im gonna make my own ...., and sell it at a resonable price. I buy the cheap stuff and it suits me well. NEVER will I pay 100+ for a tank/atomizer/ ect. EVER. I mean do you all realize how much money they spent to make it. Pennies, to your 100+ dollars you give to them...
So how do you stop clones? Make the real thing at an affordable price, Then there is no reason to clone, everyone would just buy the real thing.
The Clones, do short as they dont drill out the center sleeve far enough and they have a small ledge that needs to be drilled out...they work if your willing to take them all apart. I dont have one, I just heard this works.
Someday im gonna make my own ...., and sell it at a resonable price. I buy the cheap stuff and it suits me well. NEVER will I pay 100+ for a tank/atomizer/ ect. EVER. I mean do you all realize how much money they spent to make it. Pennies, to your 100+ dollars you give to them...
yea that is a reasonable argument but when you cant keep something in stock no matter the price it doesnt make a difference.
and remember, in many cases it is the dealer selling it for the higher prices. as soon as sales drop off they always drop in price.
good example is when the Prometheus dropped everyone was around 160 -170 the one dealer who had them for 145 was always sold out. i remember when the cyclone dropped at over 80 bucks. now it can be had for around 60 as sales drop so will the prices.
the day you can start milling single body bobbin style titanium cobras for under 100 I will buy all you can produce. diamond cutting tools cost money man especially when your replacing one after every 2 or 3 cuts.
and remember, in many cases it is the dealer selling it for the higher prices. as soon as sales drop off they always drop in price.
good example is when the Prometheus dropped everyone was around 160 -170 the one dealer who had them for 145 was always sold out. i remember when the cyclone dropped at over 80 bucks. now it can be had for around 60 as sales drop so will the prices.
the day you can start milling single body bobbin style titanium cobras for under 100 I will buy all you can produce. diamond cutting tools cost money man especially when your replacing one after every 2 or 3 cuts.
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hmmmm how come the only rust is around the wickhole though? did he leave the wick in when he submerged it?
was it new? was it clean? little bit of info being left out here to say its "just the atty" doing that.
cmon while im sure it is not 100% as good as the original you have to believe VA is going to do whatever they can to discredit the clone lol, (in the message notice who it is posting this) and having someone from within the company posting a 3rd party link from "some guy" ? lol yea thats always a credible assessment.
had it been from an unbiased source it would be a little more believable.
clone argument aside i do believe in balanced testing with full disclosures.
was it new? was it clean? little bit of info being left out here to say its "just the atty" doing that.
cmon while im sure it is not 100% as good as the original you have to believe VA is going to do whatever they can to discredit the clone lol, (in the message notice who it is posting this) and having someone from within the company posting a 3rd party link from "some guy" ? lol yea thats always a credible assessment.
had it been from an unbiased source it would be a little more believable.
clone argument aside i do believe in balanced testing with full disclosures.
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Yup, just like the original.
That right there is freaking disgusting !
It is rusted !
No way in the world would I want to risk myself with something like that !
Wow !
I just got the Tobeco Kraken clone and it vapes better any of my other rbas. I don't have the original to compare to...but the quality is way better than my rsst and seems to be as good as my other high end attys. I definitely believe the people who say this is a 1to 1 clone.
It's possible that the atty was submerged with a SS wick in it, but it's more likely that, as that is the only exposed hole, whatever plating was used was removed by the drilling thus exposing the bare metal used. While I am against stealing a modder's ideas, my main reason for making these posts is to make sure people understand that while clones may look and work just like the real thing, 99% of the time they are not made with the same materials. Even if something is made from SS, there are many cheaper grades available to a manufacturer. I've seen insulators made of silicon, or worse yet, plastic instead of Peek or Delrin. There is a difference. I'm not telling anyone not to buy clones, I'm just saying that if you think they are exact copies you're only kidding yourself.
Oh, and one more thing. To link a video of the REAL item and then review and sing the praises of a clone is just not right in my book.
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I found out the atty comes with a spare steel screw to drop into the other wick hole to prevent leaking, this screw is plated on the clone, looking at the photo you can see this screw was left in the atty and the rust is located directly around this screw. nowhere else on the deck is there any rusting except for this screw. so kind of a disingenuous posting. who ever took the original pictures tried to make sure the clone was brought into the most negative light possible.
Seems to be the first rule of business anymore if you cant prove yours is better on facts alone you just make some up to support your argument.
this is no different then all those drippers coming with the little black allen head screws in the posts, they will also rust if left in water. seeing how the juices dont really contain water and we dont soak anything in them except for the inside of the tank section, i dont see this ever happening with an atty in use.
This kinda bothers me the VA would resort to stooping so low to defend their product, how would the screw in the real one react? I am one of the first people to always recommend buying a real product over a clone but this, to me, shows that while it it may not be a 100% perfect copy , it is close enough to worry them.
Seems to be the first rule of business anymore if you cant prove yours is better on facts alone you just make some up to support your argument.
this is no different then all those drippers coming with the little black allen head screws in the posts, they will also rust if left in water. seeing how the juices dont really contain water and we dont soak anything in them except for the inside of the tank section, i dont see this ever happening with an atty in use.
This kinda bothers me the VA would resort to stooping so low to defend their product, how would the screw in the real one react? I am one of the first people to always recommend buying a real product over a clone but this, to me, shows that while it it may not be a 100% perfect copy , it is close enough to worry them.
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I sort of want to put the original through the same ordeal. A bit hesitant "just in case". Besides, I'd be left vaping on inferior gear for at least 8 hours 
Good point about the screws, Trasher. Been wondering the same myself. Even if an atty is made out of food grade SS, any screws or other parts may well be just off-the-shelf cheap-as-can-be unknown-alloy metals.
Good point about the screws, Trasher. Been wondering the same myself. Even if an atty is made out of food grade SS, any screws or other parts may well be just off-the-shelf cheap-as-can-be unknown-alloy metals.
Like a lot of the geni's lately it annoys me how small the tank is, this thing drinks juice like a wino on a binge.
i have to say, something about the design (with my wicks i guess) has allowed me to physically vape the tank dry as a bone. I was checking my desk for where the fluid *must* have leaked out last night lol. its a nice geni but you better make sure you have plenty of spare juice in the cabinet lol
i have to say, something about the design (with my wicks i guess) has allowed me to physically vape the tank dry as a bone. I was checking my desk for where the fluid *must* have leaked out last night lol. its a nice geni but you better make sure you have plenty of spare juice in the cabinet lol
I have mine set up with a single ss cable wick with a mesh topper. It's a juice eater for sure.
So you can't believe the ORIGINAL maker of a device would stoop so low defending HIS product from someone stealing his design? Really? I'm starting to think I must be from a different planet because all I ever read here at ECF anymore is people defending thieves so they can save a few bucks. I give up, you win!
dont be a dork, and please stop taking thing out of context.
you know too many times when people want to prove their original version is better or try to do comparisons to prove something they dont use misleading photos or unproven facts. there is nothing wrong with defending your own products, but there is when you try to present a whole device as being faulty when in reality anyone who takes 5 minutes can see it is cleary one screw casing the problems in the photo.
HAD VA DONE THIS TEST THEMSELVES it would be easier to digest, instead it is 3rd party photos from "some guy" and clearly it can be assessed this is a fan lovingly defending his choice of product.
this kind of post and repost is grade school antics (well he said that she said they they will tell him she like him) so stop buggin out,.
how believable would it be if Busardo start posting unknown or unproven photos in his reviews instead of doing the tests himself? well some guy on a forum sent in these oscilloscope photos clearly showing the provari has a 5Kherts cycle. no proof, no method of testing , just here's some random photo.
and I still defend my position - if they werent worried about it they wouldnt try so hard to defend it like this.. clearly other mods and attys being cloned dont resort to such tactics, continue on about their business and worry about keeping their products stocked.
so all I will say is instead of playing games they should worry about making more attys before they end up in a situation like the AC9/RSST where they spent more time trying to discredit the clone and not enough time trying to put stock on the shelves and we all know what happened there - people lost interest in waiting for the AC9.
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Semantics aside, $20 as compared to $150 is more than a "few bucks". Seeing as you belong to an elitist, invite only forum aptly named high end mods, I can only assume that your thoughts on this subject are biased. To put this in a different perspective, some people can only afford to eat burgers from the dollar menu at McDonalds where some people can afford to eat burgers from Red Robin. They're both burgers right? One may come on an inferior bun, the meat may be less then desirable but it only costs a buck. So, in the same sense the 20 dollar Kraken replica/clone/rip-off as compaired to the 150 dollar VA Kraken is going to appeal more to us the lowly general public who'd rather save 100+ dollars.
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