Please help, need some help verifying calculations for nicotine level

[AZDryheat]

I saw my doctor today and she suggested that I would need a minimum of 21 mg nicotine ejuice to replace my 1 PAD curse. So I was hoping for someone to verify my calculations. I am wanting to create 15ml of 21mg juice -using bought flavored ejuice 12mg 25/75 pg/vg and 36mg 100 vg.

I calculate that if I use the following, it will get me to 21.6 mg juice

6ml of 36mg 100% vg
8.5 ml of bought flavored ejuice 12mg 25/75 pg/vg
.5 ml purified water

The equipment I use are:
Igo-t with aspire BDC tank
Itaste SVD with aspire BDC tank
Nemesis clone (efest 18650 2100 30A) with aspire BDC tank
-also have (Kayfun 3.1, Russian 91, Helos and Omega clones) still learning to build coils so not using them

any help would be Greatly appreciated

 

[AZDryheat]

I forgot to mention that I used info from Boletus's blog for my calculations. Thank You Boletus

 

[Boletus]

You will make 15 ml of juice that has 21.6 mg/ml of nicotine. However, it sounds like your doc might be recommending 21 mg of nicotine per day. This is where knowing the units of concentration and dosage are essential. Forgive me if I am telling you something you may already know, but when people describe e-juice as having ## mg (milligrams) of nicotine, what they are actually saying is that it has ## mg of nicotine per ml of juice. It is the most annoying and dangerous convention in this whole business, IMO.

But anyway, it is even a bit more complicated than that, if your doc is basing that 21 mg per day on the nicotine content of an average pack of cigarettes, which seems likely, how much nicotine you need to vape per day to get the same nicotine as a PAD is still undetermined. Nicotine in e-juice vapor is not absorbed by the body in the same way as from smoking, so there is not a one-to-one equivalence. In fact, hard numbers for how much nicotine your body absorbs from a given amount of e-juice at a certain nicotine concentration are not known, as far as I know. Maybe someone else here has more info about that.

But to cut to the chase here, you will have to decide on a starting nicotine concentration, vape that for a while, and then decide if it needs to go up or down. There are too many variables for a quick, easy answer. How deeply do you inhale, do you hold it when inhaled, how quickly do you exhale, what equipment are you using.... So what is a good starting nicotine concentration for someone coming off a pack a day cigarette habit? You might start at 12 mg/ml (a moderate strength): if you get hiccups, dizzy, or otherwise adversely affected, go to a lower concentration and/or vape less. If you have nicotine cravings even though you are vaping continuously, bump it up.

 

[JohnnyDill]

any help would be Greatly appreciated

I was a PAD smoker and started vaping with 24mg juice with Ego-sized devices. I switched to 18mg right away as 24 was too strong. But when I went up to RDA's with 18650 batts at higher wattages, I dropped down to 15 mg and as low as 10mg. So everyone is different. Find what works for you.

 

[ronnbert]

When we have a beginner vapor at the shop I work at, we generally start them at 18mg/ml for a full flavor PAD smoker, 11mg for lights PAD smoker. This generally works well for them and we tell them to adjust based on how they feel. Some bump up, but most are generally satisfied with these levels.

 

[AZDryheat]

Boletus, Thank you for your reply and info. ECF is such a excellent resource, thanks to members like yourself that are experienced, knowledgeable and willing to help others

I was shocked when my doctor recommended vaping, she said that she had been a part of study's in a hospital that tested vaping for smoking succession. I have been vaping off and on for 3-4 years (06-18mg) and have come close to kicking the smoking habit, but struggled to find the right favor/nic level.

Thank you again for your help

 

[shortdraw]

18mg worked quite well for me.

 

[MrsMac]

I started at 24mg, but within 2 weeks noticed it was too much. 18mg is right on for me.

 

[Boletus]

Boletus, Thank you for your reply and info. ECF is such a excellent resource, thanks to members like yourself that are experienced, knowledgeable and willing to help others

I was shocked when my doctor recommended vaping, she said that she had been a part of study's in a hospital that tested vaping for smoking succession. I have been vaping off and on for 3-4 years (06-18mg) and have come close to kicking the smoking habit, but struggled to find the right favor/nic level.

Thank you again for your help

I was not able to kick butts until I went up to 36 mg/ml. But I smoked for 40 years, and consumed about 30 fat, unfiltered hand rolled cigarettes a day. That much might make a lot of people sick. Anyway, my point is that, given a choice between smoking and increasing the nicotine in my vape, I chose the latter.

 

[WharfRat1976]

I saw my doctor today and she suggested that I would need a minimum of 21 mg nicotine ejuice to replace my 1 PAD curse. So I was hoping for someone to verify my calculations. I am wanting to create 15ml of 21mg juice -using bought flavored ejuice 12mg 25/75 pg/vg and 36mg 100 vg.

I calculate that if I use the following, it will get me to 21.6 mg juice

6ml of 36mg 100% vg
8.5 ml of bought flavored ejuice 12mg 25/75 pg/vg
.5 ml purified water

The equipment I use are:
Igo-t with aspire BDC tank
Itaste SVD with aspire BDC tank
Nemesis clone (efest 18650 2100 30A) with aspire BDC tank
-also have (Kayfun 3.1, Russian 91, Helos and Omega clones) still learning to build coils so not using them

any help would be Greatly appreciated

This is probably way more than you asked for but here goes: If you are making 21mg nic ejuice you get to vape ONE MILLILITER of your e-liquid PER DAY. Good luck with that when looking at the devices you vape with Get the BVC coils for your Aspire and you can go through 5mls in an hour so that would be over 100mg of nic or 5 plus packs of analogs or FIVE 21mg NIC PATCHES

It does not matter what the nic level of your e-liquid is other than personal preference.. What matters is the amount of nic you are taking in each day. As Boletus pointed out the nic percentage is measured in milligrams(mg) PER milliliters (mls.) Ask ANY idiot behind a vape counter what nic percentage means and they have NO CLUE. It is a fundamental measurement and it is amazing that the very people selling the juice have no idea what it means. In general, most vapors have no clue either.

If your doctor said 21mg of nic per day, here are some combinations that will fill that bill:

1 ml of 21mg nic e-liquid
3 ml of 7mg nic e-liquid
3.5ml of 6mg nic e-liquid
1.14ml of 18mg nic e-liquid
Get the picture

mls represents the total volume (milliliters) of e-liquid and mg represents the nicotine percentage in miligrams within the e-liquid.

One milliliter is 1/1000th of a liter- I can vape this amount in 3 minutes.

When I first started vaping I was taking in much more nicotine than I was taking in from analogs. As my devices got more sophisticated as well as coil building, I was going through e-liquid like "no tomorrow."

I hope this explains it succinctly and forgive me if you already knew. I am massively addicted to nicotine. I am glad I am not taking in the tars and hundreds of other chems that analogs use to stick the nicotine deeper into my cells.

When I don't get nicotine bad things happen. Hopefully one day I can wean entirely off nicotine through vaping and only vape 0mg e-liquid. That is my goal. Torquing myself up to massive nic levels when I first started vaping and for a long time thereafter was not helpful to my overall cause.

I am basically down to 6mg e-liquid and really try to watch how many mls I vape each day. In the past I would consume 10mls per day plus EASILY. So I was putting 60+milligrams of nicotine into my body per day. That is the equivalent of 3, 21mg nic patches- one for each cheek and one for my upper left shoulder

Be Safe!

 

[Justabrewer]

I was not able to kick butts until I went up to 36 mg/ml. But I smoked for 40 years, and consumed about 30 fat, unfiltered hand rolled cigarettes a day. That much might make a lot of people sick. Anyway, my point is that, given a choice between smoking and increasing the nicotine in my vape, I chose the latter.

I took tobacco classes in the military 20 years ago to get patches, (another few months of quitting) if my memory serves, a pack of camel non filter had 60mg of nic, and a can of cope had something like 550mg. Do those #'s look close to what you balanced at with a 36mg vape?

 

[Boletus]

I took tobacco classes in the military 20 years ago to get patches, (another few months of quitting) if my memory serves, a pack of camel non filter had 60mg of nic, and a can of cope had something like 550mg. Do those #'s look close to what you balanced at with a 36mg vape?

I vape about 4 ml/day at 36 mg/ml, so that's 144 mg/day, so I guess I am vaping about 1.5 to 2 times the amount of nicotine I smoked.

 

[Ablonz]

I would recommend letting your body tell what you need (I was a 1-2 PAD smoker for 28 yrs). I noticed when I vape 24 mg unflavored I would tend to get dizzy and only puff about 1.5 ml per day plus 3 reg analogs. now that I am down to about one reg analog a day I get by with about 2 ml. Also now that I am doing my own I tend to lower it to about 16 mg and vape about 3 mil a day and that will do the trick and I can go all day without a reg. analog. I am so close to kicking reg. analogs that I am truly excited. I hope that it works out for you. I would recommend about 18mg also. Happy vaping!!!

 

[Boletus]

I was shocked when my doctor recommended vaping, she said that she had been a part of study's in a hospital that tested vaping for smoking succession.

I am sure I am not alone in wishing I could learn more about that study. There is so much misinformation being propagated by members of the scientific and medical communities, it is aggravating, to say the least. For example, my wife was recently hospitalized for a couple of days, and all of the doctors and nurses did everything they could to try to convince her that vaping is as bad as, or worse than, smoking.

 

[ronnbert]

This is probably way more than you asked for but here goes: If you are making 21mg nic ejuice you get to vape ONE MILLILITER of your e-liquid PER DAY. Good luck with that when looking at the devices you vape with Get the BVC coils for your Aspire and you can go through 5mls in an hour so that would be over 100mg of nic or 5 plus packs of analogs or FIVE 21mg NIC PATCHES

It does not matter what the nic level of your e-liquid is other than personal preference.. What matters is the amount of nic you are taking in each day. As Boletus pointed out the nic percentage is measured in milligrams(mg) PER milliliters (mls.) Ask ANY idiot behind a vape counter what nic percentage means and they have NO CLUE. It is a fundamental measurement and it is amazing that the very people selling the juice have no idea what it means. In general, most vapors have no clue either.

If your doctor said 21mg of nic per day, here are some combinations that will fill that bill:

1 ml of 21mg nic e-liquid
3 ml of 7mg nic e-liquid
3.5ml of 6mg nic e-liquid
1.14ml of 18mg nic e-liquid
Get the picture

mls represents the total volume (milliliters) of e-liquid and mg represents the nicotine percentage in miligrams within the e-liquid.

One milliliter is 1/1000th of a liter- I can vape this amount in 3 minutes.

When I first started vaping I was taking in much more nicotine than I was taking in from analogs. As my devices got more sophisticated as well as coil building, I was going through e-liquid like "no tomorrow."

I hope this explains it succinctly and forgive me if you already knew. I am massively addicted to nicotine. I am glad I am not taking in the tars and hundreds of other chems that analogs use to stick the nicotine deeper into my cells.

When I don't get nicotine bad things happen. Hopefully one day I can wean entirely off nicotine through vaping and only vape 0mg e-liquid. That is my goal. Torquing myself up to massive nic levels when I first started vaping and for a long time thereafter was not helpful to my overall cause.

I am basically down to 6mg e-liquid and really try to watch how many mls I vape each day. In the past I would consume 10mls per day plus EASILY. So I was putting 60+milligrams of nicotine into my body per day. That is the equivalent of 3, 21mg nic patches- one for each cheek and one for my upper left shoulder

Be Safe!

5 mLs an hour on a BVC? I can make 5 mLs last all day, or even a week if I use my dripper more often than not.

Also, I resent that statement about vape store employees. Granted, there are quite a few out there that have no clue what they are selling or what anything means. I have to pick up their slack on a daily basis. For instance, one customer came in and had his battery upside down because another vape shop had told him that would solve his issue when it was a simple fix and not making contact.

However, I, along with many other vape store employees do strive to learn our stuff and know it inside and out. All of our managers and shift leaders are very knowledgeable about most every aspect of vaping. I am on here almost everyday, learning new information to pass on to customers and keep up to date on latest gear and mods. I do not appreciate your generalization and assumption that a few bad apples who are just in the market to make quick cash reflects across the entire board.

Please use your brain and think before making widespread generalizations about people. Ok? Thanks!

 

[amoret]

Also, many of the responses in this thread are assuming that you actually absorb the full amount of nicotine that is in your liquid. Which is not the case. Also, vaping is a much slower way of getting your fix than smoking is. So, I would say that it is entirely logical for most PAD smokers to start at 18 mg/ml. And then go up or down as needed.

 

[AndriaD]

I was also a pack a day smoker, but both 18mg and 12mg made me extremely nauseous after just a couple hours. I had to go all the way down to 6mg to be able to vape regularly at all; when I quit cigarettes, I had to go back up; first to 8mg, then 9mg, but I was still chain vaping. Now I vape 10mg regularly and it seems just about right, and I don't chain vape to any great extent -- now and then, but mostly I just take 2-3 hits, set it down. Repeat in a little while; 5-10 mins maybe. If I'm busy, that "little while" may get stretched to 30-45 mins.

Andria

 

[WharfRat1976]

5 mLs an hour on a BVC? I can make 5 mLs last all day, or even a week if I use my dripper more often than not.

Also, I resent that statement about vape store employees. Granted, there are quite a few out there that have no clue what they are selling or what anything means. I have to pick up their slack on a daily basis. For instance, one customer came in and had his battery upside down because another vape shop had told him that would solve his issue when it was a simple fix and not making contact.

However, I, along with many other vape store employees do strive to learn our stuff and know it inside and out. All of our managers and shift leaders are very knowledgeable about most every aspect of vaping. I am on here almost everyday, learning new information to pass on to customers and keep up to date on latest gear and mods. I do not appreciate your generalization and assumption that a few bad apples who are just in the market to make quick cash reflects across the entire board.

Please use your brain and think before making widespread generalizations about people. Ok? Thanks!

I was not talking to you but since you are talking to me, I will respond.

Walk into 10 random vape shops and ask the random DOLT who saddles up to you what "mg of nicotine" mean and I will lay you 2:1 on $20.00 that 7 of the 10 DOLTS will not know or give you some random BS answer. "OK? Thanks!"

I did not mean to touch SUCH a sensitive hot button with you, ronnbert, but obviously I have

 

[ronnbert]

I was not talking to you but since you are talking to me, I will respond.

Walk into 10 random vape shops and ask the random DOLT who saddles up to you what "mg of nicotine" mean and I will lay you 2:1 on $20.00 that 7 of the 10 DOLTS will not know or give you some random BS answer. "OK? Thanks!"

I did not mean to touch SUCH a sensitive hot button with you, ronnbert, but obviously I have

No worries, was having a rough night and got a little too worked up. I understand where you are coming from and what you mean. Hopefully those employees will be weeded out and only the good stores who know what they are doing and actually care about the end user will survive.

I ask for forgiveness for jumping down your throat, as that is not how I am usually.

Also, I may still take those odds on that bet, since 7 out of 10 seems like a lot. Maybe just a gentleman's wager for a dollar though

 

[WharfRat1976]

Okay ronnbert. I'm easy. Bygones bygones. I guess I just wish there was a better standard like juice bottle labels saying mg PER ml. I guess that would be too easy. Most vapors don't know this information let alone those working at vape shops. Have a nice evening.