Pollen, The Death of Flavor!

[Valdrak]

Oh pollen how I despise thee!


Many people in the North America are effected by pollen in different ways. It seems that many people who are experiencing sort of flavor changes or almost no flavor from cartos about this time in North America... It's the pollen!

It's pollen season in the states... and it will screw up your taste buds badly when vaping. I recently experienced this and I was trying like hell to figure out what it was.

First I thought it was the battery burning the juice... then I thought it was the entire batch of 50 pre-filled cartos I ordered...

but.. nah son... about the same time I got that order... there was a huge release of pollen in the air, and it was quite windy... and hanging outside ALL day stalking the mailman... kept me in it...

They had not delivered my stuff, and the driver had forgotten in her truck, so I did get it the next day... However the pollen had completely invaded my system.


I am just now beginning to regain my ability to taste juice again...

Seriously... everything tasted like a sweet buttered popcorn... well slightly burnt sweet buttered popcorn... not so yummy


I want to apologize to Jeff and the other guys at Bloog Customer service for having to put up with me and my losing faith of product. They offered to replace my battery(when I thought it was the issue) and they also offered to replace all 50 pre-filled cartos. Awesome customer service!

Perhaps this might be a Trouble Shooting pointer for others if they lack flavor of their juice during these seasons for the different countries of the world dont always have their pollen pop up around the world at the same times.

I wish I could give more information, but nothing else has really changed in flavor... only the vaping juice, and it's coming back as the pollen settles, but it's still rampant

 

[MichelleDen]

Argh pollen..................... I was taking pills for hayfever, and then i got some virus and had to take pills for that. Comepletely knocked me out, so now i cant take the hayfever ones untill im done with the other ones, and im going crazy!!

But havent noticed a difference when vaping.....

 

[Gardner808]

I am so glad that I have no allergies and that pollen has little to no effect on me, my taste buds or my sinuses. I just have to blow my nose once a day and I am good to go.

I am also glad that Bloog was so willing to take care of you and that your troubles are limited to the sudden attack of pollen in your area. I hope you find ways to work around it.

Good luck and happy vaping!

 

[n00b]

Oh pollen how I despise thee!

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I wish I could give more information, but nothing else has really changed in flavor... only the vaping juice, and it's coming back as the pollen settles, but it's still rampant

Thanks, that makes sense now why all my juices tasted soo bad. I almost gave up vaping.

 

[MoonDance]

I am in agony with allergies this time of year, so I feel you Valdrak.
This morning was so bad that I lost my voice too.

Hope it gets better soon and buy stock in Zyrtec!

 

[Gubby]

You can cure your allergies by eating unpasteurized local honey twice daily. In about two weeks they'll be gone forever.

 

[MoonDance]

I didn't know that bees made honey from ragweed!

 

[Gubby]

Works for everything. What have you got to loose except a chance of avoiding a stroke from allergy and cold medication long term use, right? Oh and by the way bees feed off anything that flowers.

 

[leaford]

You can cure your allergies by eating unpasteurized local honey twice daily. In about two weeks they'll be gone forever.

I hate to be the contrarian, but it seems to be my lot in life.

I am a skeptic by nature, so my first reaction when I hear claims like that are to ask two questions; does the theory sound plausible, and is there valid evidence to support it. In this case, the idea that local honey can cure allergies fails both tests.

The theory, that honey would contain small amounts of the allergens and thus act like a vaccine, building up a resistance to the real thing, is not plausible because it mistakes the nature of an allergic reaction. An allergic reaction is an OVERreaction to allergens, not a failure of the immune system. In an allergy attack, your immune system is attacking the pollen, spores, or whatever, AS IF it were a virus or bacteria. So, building up immunity will just plain not happen. Your immune system, if it were reacting properly would IGNORE pollen, etc. Just as it ignores sugar and nutrients in your system. And lastly, even if it were possible to build an immunity to pollen etc, your previous exposures would have done it. Vaccines, to be effective have to be administered BEFORE encountering the disease in the wild, and if you encounter diseases like measles in the wild, and surrvive, you then have immunity to later exposures. IOW, if the theory behind local honey actually had merit, allergy sufferers would only have ONE allergic reaction to any given cause, and would then be immune thereafter. Since that's not the case, why would a vastly smaller exposure have that effect?

And as for evidence, there is no scientific evidence AT ALL that it works. The proponants of the idea haven't done any randomized, blinded, experiments to see if it actually works. They rely solely on anecdotal stories. And the only scientific study I've found on it found no effect. They divided the subjects randomly into three groups, one given local honey, one given mass produced honey, and one given corn syrup and told it was honey. None of the groups experienced greater allergy relief compared to the other groups. If there is any effect, it is just a placebo effect.

 

[leaford]

Works for everything. What have you got to loose except a chance of avoiding a stroke from allergy and cold medication long term use, right? Oh and by the way bees feed off anything that flowers.

Well, compared to many false CAM beliefs, you're right, there isn't really anything to lose by trying it. (Unless of course you try it INSTEAD of antihistamines or your usual treatment. That COULD lead to bad consequences. But just having some local honey in your tea, np, that's cool.)

But is "what do you have to lose" really the question? Isn't the right question "does it work?" Trying it yourself isn't a reliable indicator of truth. We are all too vulnerable to perceptual and cognitive errors. IOW, the easiest person to fool is always yourself. So, if the point is to see if it works, just trying it yourself is the LEAST reliable way of doing so.

 

[pmos69]

I hate to be the contrarian, but it seems to be my lot in life.

I am a skeptic by nature, so my first reaction when I hear claims like that are to ask two questions; does the theory sound plausible, and is there valid evidence to support it. In this case, the idea that local honey can cure allergies fails both tests.

The theory, that honey would contain small amounts of the allergens and thus act like a vaccine, building up a resistance to the real thing, is not plausible because it mistakes the nature of an allergic reaction. An allergic reaction is an OVERreaction to allergens, not a failure of the immune system. In an allergy attack, your immune system is attacking the pollen, spores, or whatever, AS IF it were a virus or bacteria. So, building up immunity will just plain not happen. Your immune system, if it were reacting properly would IGNORE pollen, etc. Just as it ignores sugar and nutrients in your system. And lastly, even if it were possible to build an immunity to pollen etc, your previous exposures would have done it. Vaccines, to be effective have to be administered BEFORE encountering the disease in the wild, and if you encounter diseases like measles in the wild, and surrvive, you then have immunity to later exposures. IOW, if the theory behind local honey actually had merit, allergy sufferers would only have ONE allergic reaction to any given cause, and would then be immune thereafter. Since that's not the case, why would a vastly smaller exposure have that effect?

And as for evidence, there is no scientific evidence AT ALL that it works. The proponants of the idea haven't done any randomized, blinded, experiments to see if it actually works. They rely solely on anecdotal stories. And the only scientific study I've found on it found no effect. They divided the subjects randomly into three groups, one given local honey, one given mass produced honey, and one given corn syrup and told it was honey. None of the groups experienced greater allergy relief compared to the other groups. If there is any effect, it is just a placebo effect.

Would have been nice if they had added a 4th group with antihistamines in the syrup.

 

[leaford]

Would have been nice if they had added a 4th group with antihistamines in the syrup.

Why? That would be a comparative study, comparing the effectiveness of local honey vs effectiveness of antihistamines. But why do that comparison before even establishing that honey has ANY effect? First we would need to establish that it works at all, then it would be appropriate to compare it to other modalities which we know work.

Remember, a good study will pose ONE hypothesis and only one.

 

[pmos69]

You man of little faith. Why would you need proof it works? We just need to know it doesn't make things worse!
Seriouslly, I was just ratling you chain

 

[Gubby]

I hate to be the contrarian, but it seems to be my lot in life.

I am a skeptic by nature, so my first reaction when I hear claims like that are to ask two questions; does the theory sound plausible, and is there valid evidence to support it. In this case, the idea that local honey can cure allergies fails both tests.

The theory, that honey would contain small amounts of the allergens and thus act like a vaccine, building up a resistance to the real thing, is not plausible because it mistakes the nature of an allergic reaction. An allergic reaction is an OVERreaction to allergens, not a failure of the immune system. In an allergy attack, your immune system is attacking the pollen, spores, or whatever, AS IF it were a virus or bacteria. So, building up immunity will just plain not happen. Your immune system, if it were reacting properly would IGNORE pollen, etc. Just as it ignores sugar and nutrients in your system. And lastly, even if it were possible to build an immunity to pollen etc, your previous exposures would have done it. Vaccines, to be effective have to be administered BEFORE encountering the disease in the wild, and if you encounter diseases like measles in the wild, and surrvive, you then have immunity to later exposures. IOW, if the theory behind local honey actually had merit, allergy sufferers would only have ONE allergic reaction to any given cause, and would then be immune thereafter. Since that's not the case, why would a vastly smaller exposure have that effect?

And as for evidence, there is no scientific evidence AT ALL that it works. The proponants of the idea haven't done any randomized, blinded, experiments to see if it actually works. They rely solely on anecdotal stories. And the only scientific study I've found on it found no effect. They divided the subjects randomly into three groups, one given local honey, one given mass produced honey, and one given corn syrup and told it was honey. None of the groups experienced greater allergy relief compared to the other groups. If there is any effect, it is just a placebo effect.

Spoken like a true doctor Leaford. Unfortunately, there's a difference between true Doctoring and medicine.

According to US and Canadian law just saying that honey 'will cure' and then trying to sell some would land a person in prison. Big Pharma has so much control over our countries that old remedies used for thousands of years are discredited and criminalized through methods of reasoning that sound sound (tee hee that was funny) but in life don't make sense. For example, here in Canada as of June 1 (or thereabouts) the Natural Product Number system was snuck into law. This system makes it illegal to sell natural products without proof that they do no harm. So.... a herbalist can sell Red Bull and Colgate but not cinnamon, cloves or even lavender because they might not be ‘safe and effective’. This type of logic has nothing to do with safety or effectiveness however it does shut down the market to anyone who can't spend $100,000.00's per product (everyone other then Big Pharma).

Our complete medical system is under control of Big Pharma, who's 'tested safe and effective' medication kills over 106,000 per year in the US alone. In fact "It has been estimated that only 10 to 20 percent of all procedures currently used in medical practice have been shown to be efficacious by controlled trial." According to The Office of Technology Assessment Health Program, asked by the U.S. Senate Committee on Human Resources to evaluate standard medical procedures in 1978.

Drugs 'don't work on many people'. BBC, Dec 8, 2003
A senior executive at Europe's largest drug maker has admitted most prescription medicines don't work for most people. Allen Roses, of GlaxoSmithKline, is quoted in a national newspaper as saying more than 90% of drugs only work in 30-50% of people. He said: "Drugs on the market work, but they don't work in everybody."

How’s the evidence based medicine looking now?

Back to the Honey thing: I'm not sure the method honey takes to cure allergies or that it will work for everyone. I am however a witness to many people that it worked for permanently and don't know anyone personally that didn't have success or that experienced side effects.

*boing boing boing* back to you....

 

[leaford]

Gubby, I like you, and don't want to get into a heated argument or anything, but I strongly disagree. I'd be happy to continue debating this, but I'm going to have to insist that we take it to the OUTSIDE! forum where these debates are more appropriate, OK?

And, let's try to keep it cool and civil, OK? Not that you weren't or anything. But, this is just honey, not a life or death issue.

Anyway, the new thread, with my reply to your last post is here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...g-local-honey-cure-allergies.html#post3708274