Prohibition and Organized Crime: Black Markets are Ready

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LoveVanilla

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With a "special" shout-out to Michael Bloomberg, Trump and Alex Azar.

‘Banned’ Flavors Are Absolutely Available
Store owners and employees describe keeping flavors on shelves in a variety of ways
As the moral panic/public health crisis around vaping continues to swirl, these third-party pods are regarded with a high level of suspicion, because no one really knows what’s in their e-juice.


And from Wikipedia, Prohibition:
prohibition... actually causing the creation of large-scale, well-funded and well-armed criminal syndicates.
Grape juice was not restricted by Prohibition, even though if it was allowed to sit for sixty days it would ferment and turn to wine with a twelve percent alcohol content. Many folks took advantage of this as grape juice output quadrupled during the Prohibition era.
To prevent bootleggers from using industrial ethyl alcohol to produce illegal beverages, the federal government ordered the poisoning of industrial alcohols. In response, bootleggers hired chemists who successfully renatured the alcohol to make it drinkable. As a response, the Treasury Department required manufacturers to add more deadly poisons, including the particularly deadly methyl alcohol, consisting of 4 parts methanol 2.25 parts pyridine base and 0.5 parts benzene per 100 parts ethyl alcohol.[84] New York City medical examiners prominently opposed these policies because of the danger to human life. As many as 10,000 people died from drinking denatured alcohol before Prohibition ended.
Making alcohol at home was common among some families with wet sympathies during Prohibition. Stores sold grape concentrate with warning labels that listed the steps that should be avoided to prevent the juice from fermenting into wine. Some drugstores sold "medical wine" with around a 22% alcohol content. In order to justify the sale, the wine was given a medicinal taste.[86] Home-distilled hard liquor was called bathtub gin in northern cities, and moonshine in rural areas of Virginia, Kentucky, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, and Tennessee. Homebrewing good hard liquor was easier than brewing good beer.[86] Since selling privately distilled alcohol was illegal and bypassed government taxation, law enforcement officers relentlessly pursued manufacturers.[87] In response, bootleggers modified their cars and trucks by enhancing the engines and suspensions to make faster vehicles that, they presumed, would improve their chances of outrunning and escaping agents of the Bureau of Prohibition, commonly called "revenue agents" or "revenuers". These cars became known as "moonshine runners" or "'shine runners".[88] Shops with wet sympathies were also known to participate in the underground liquor market, by loading their stocks with ingredients for liquors, including bénédictine, vermouth, scotch mash, and even ethyl alcohol, which anyone could purchase legally.
 

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Can't believe I'm reading this. I watched a rip trippers video the other day and Rip said they vape reviewers don't get a dime from youtube anymore. So it's really going down huh? I'm far away from the mess, though recently there was a bust in the news about 22M worth of "illegally" imported vape products busted here in Taiwan. Geez, illegally imported from China... LOL I'm glad I can still type this. You guys stay safe! Keep vaping! We are now legitimately going underground. Go to the rallies! I will if I'm in US.
 

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And? This still has nothing to do with Trump or Azar. Has anything been signed yet? The answer is no. Stop it chicken little. The sky is not falling. Even if it does so what? You've been warned it's coming so if you're a victim you did it to yourself.

Did you read the thread title? There have been multiple discussions about a black market for vape, and what that might look like. NY already has one. And, on a different point, don't you think it both easier and wiser to prevent a bad law than to repeal standing law?
 

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Did you read the thread title? There have been multiple discussions about a black market for vape, and what that might look like. NY already has one. And, on a different point, don't you think it both easier and wiser to prevent a bad law than to repeal standing law?
Law? What law? FDA doesn't make any laws. If people are buying ANYTHING on the black market then they deserve what they get. Again if you're a victim it's your own fault. You did it to yourself. Maybe wake up and prepare yourself.
 

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Law? What law? FDA doesn't make any laws. If people are buying ANYTHING on the black
market then they deserve what they get. Again if you're a
victim it's your own fault. You did it to yourself. Maybe wake up and prepare yourself.
Hehe, I see you are just a junior member around here. Over and out
 
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Don29palms

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Hehe. No, he is a junior member -- he only joined in 2014! Just don't have time or patience for someone who wants to argue pointlessly. No harm, no foul.
There is a point. The point being you're wrong and are posting BS that you have no idea what you're talking about. If you don't want to argue then be correct in what you're saying. I really don't care if you choose to be a victim or not. That is your choice.
 
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Did you read the thread title? There have been multiple discussions about a black market for vape, and what that might look like. NY already has one. And, on a different point, don't you think it both easier and wiser to prevent a bad law than to repeal standing law?

Uh, I’m in NY. No black market needed here as it’s still quite legal to buy whatever juice you want. If and when it no longer is I won’t really care as I’m quite set to take care of myself. But scare thread titles and extreme scenarios helps no one.
 

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Should a flavour ban happen in the US - and I use the word “should” because it is not here yet. There is no doubt the vape industry, even world wide, will take a swift kick in the gonads. Illegal markets will form due to this, to what extent needs to be defined by any new laws and or regulations. But I cannot foresee a Al Capone or Pablo Escobar type organised crime rings rising due to a flavour ban.
 

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And? This still has nothing to do with Trump or Azar. Has anything been signed yet? The answer is no. Stop it chicken little. The sky is not falling. Even if it does so what? You've been warned it's coming so if you're a victim you did it to yourself.

Well...the sky is not falling now, but the Leonids start in a few days so.....
 
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