Prohibitionist ALA calls for total tobacco use ban for US military

[Bill Godshall]

Prohibitionist ALA urges US Senate and Department of Defense to ban all tobacco use by US military, falsely insinuates that all tobacco products are as hazardous as cigarettes.
Calling for a Tobacco Free Military - American Lung Association

Please note that most branches of the US military now include e-cigarettes in current tobacco use restrictions, and that ALA has urged the FDA to ban e-cigarette sales.

 

[DC2]

I wonder how many people in this country think the ALA is working for the benefit of the public.
Honestly, some of these folks should be arrested and put in jail for fraud.

 

[DC2]

From the article...

Questions about your lung health? Ask an expert.
Call 1 800 LUNGUSA or
1 800 586 4872

I am calling them now, and I'm going to talk to a number of departments.
Unfortunately, the media contact makes you leave a message.

EDIT: Oh crap, their hold message just said they are all about options.
EDIT: Really? Which options? Quit? Or die?

 

[DC2]

Okay, so I'm hold for 20 minutes after taking the following option...
"If you have questions regarding lung health, and would like to speak with a nurse or a lung respiratory therapist..."

And after 20 minutes of being on hold I was cut off and asked to leave a message.
I don't leave messages, so I'm moving on to the next option of donations.

I'll bet money someone answers that one.

 

[TennDave]

Did you get through on the donation line? I bet you did, but also talked to a volunteer "money grabber/taker," someone who knows absolutely nada about anything the ALA is up to or doing now.

 

[DC2]

Did you get through on the donation line? I bet you did, but also talked to a volunteer "money grabber/taker," someone who knows absolutely nada about anything the ALA is up to or doing now.

Yes, I did get through on that line, which of course is not much of a shock.
She was not aware of the article, but she definitely has had a very good indoctrination into the talking points.

Not enough studies on electronic cigarettes...
Tobacco is bad because nicotine raises heart rate and blood sugar levels...
The subject of snus left her speechless though, other than the nicotine is bad thing again...

And I left her with the parting thought that the ALA position on tobacco is killing people.
Oh, and that they'll never see another dime from me.

Just sewing some seeds of discontent inside the enemy camp.
You never know when a seed will take hold and grow.

 

[TennDave]

Just sewing some seeds of discontent inside the enemy camp.
You never know when a seed will take hold and grow.

Good for you!! I hope some idiot ANTZ ALA person doesn't grab her and reverse-indoctrinate her...this is typically what I've seen. Those who bring info back to their "captors," are told "those vaper guys are crazy...they mix nicotine in their dirty bathtubs," etc.
Sorry for being so cynical...

 

[Myk]

Tobacco is bad because nicotine raises heart rate and blood sugar levels...

This was the LUNG association, right?
Seems heart rates and blood sugar would be outside of their stated purpose. Is she someone who's supposed to be worried about lung health or someone worried about stamping out the evil tobacco?

I wish that was me talking to her. I would've brought up the fact that 2 weeks after switching to vaping I bought a blood pressure monitor and found my heart rate which was into the 90s was back down in the 60s, a number I haven't seen since I was in my 20s. My blood pressure which was "pre-hypertension" every time I checked at the store was down to my normal low numbers.

 

[Berylanna]

Good for you!! I hope some idiot ANTZ ALA person doesn't grab her and reverse-indoctrinate her...this is typically what I've seen. Those who bring info back to their "captors," are told "those vaper guys are crazy...they mix nicotine in their dirty bathtubs," etc.
Sorry for being so cynical...

In this economy I doubt people hired to work phone banks care about anything other than not getting fired. So all they'll ask, if anything, is what the proper answer is procedure-wise.

And if I were still supporting my kids instead of dodging babysitting requests, I'd do the EXACT same!

 

[Eric A. Blair]

Captive audience with federal health insurance benefits to spend on $50 gums, patches, lozenges from Big PhRma...ka Ching ...mo money mo money mo money!!!

 

[iowajosh]

I wish the Govt would stop giving these non profit places the $$. They literally chip away at our freedom every day. Why? They want to keep their job$.

 

[CapitalPuff]

Prohibitionist ALA urges US Senate and Department of Defense to ban all tobacco use by US military, falsely insinuates that all tobacco products are as hazardous as cigarettes.
Calling for a Tobacco Free Military - American Lung Association

Please note that most branches of the US military now include e-cigarettes in current tobacco use restrictions, and that ALA has urged the FDA to ban e-cigarette sales.

This just pisses me off... Our servicemen and women can enlist and die for our country, but wouldn't be able to choose for themselves as adults if they want to use tobacco or not. C'mon... Really?! The ALA needs to be reeled in a bit. They are damned lucky they don't have a comments section on the page...

 

[TennDave]

This just pisses me off... Our servicemen and women can enlist and die for our country, but wouldn't be able to choose for themselves as adults if they want to use tobacco or not. C'mon... Really?! The ALA needs to be reeled in a bit. They are damned lucky they don't have a comments section on the page...

Really, to be honest everyone is jumping the gun...the ALA and any organization trying to tell anyone what to do. The smart thing would be to wait on the "deeming regulations" that the FDA is about to propose and then go from there.

 

[cigarbabe]

Really, to be honest everyone is jumping the gun...the ALA and any organization trying to tell anyone what to do. The smart thing would be to wait on the "deeming regulations" that the FDA is about to propose and then go from there.

Why wait?
You know damned well what the regulations are going to include.
It will not vary from their initial stance or the press release even though the FDA's own study found negligible trace amounts of NOTHING! {basically}
C.B.

 

[TennDave]

I agree with you C.B.
I mean the ALA and the other ANTZ organizations are jumping the gun.

 

[JAY73]

well we all know they are really anti-nic cause if they were anti-tobbaco they would embrace vaping as a whole i am not talking about tickertape parades or anything cause no nic is better than nic but i still love my nic i am an addict and happy to be so i just wish people would leave me and my lifestyle alone...

 

[Berylanna]

well we all know they are really anti-nic cause if they were anti-tobbaco they would embrace vaping as a whole i am not talking about tickertape parades or anything cause no nic is better than nic but i still love my nic i am an addict and happy to be so i just wish people would leave me and my lifestyle alone...

Lifestyle my ***, even Big Tobacco is on to the fact that for many of us, this is medication. Since I have a family history of vascular dementia, my Dr. is thrilled that I've found a way to maybe quit smoking but stay on nicotine. I told her I believe the cardio and digestive risks are the same as smoking, but not the cancer and pulmonary risks. Her answer was that my family has no cardio and digestion issues, but *I* have pulmonary issues and my family has dementia issues.

Nicotine is being investigated as a med. As ......... should be. I suspect for different things, but a lot of addicts are actually "self-medicating."

In a word, for some of us nicotine and/or WTA are like insulin, or at least like Ritalin or Prozac. We don't say that diabetics are "addicted to insulin and need to break the addiction."

 

[DC2]

I told her I believe the cardio and digestive risks are the same as smoking, but not the cancer and pulmonary risks.

Have you seen this study by a Greek cardiologist regarding vaping?
VPLive Vape Team Episode #25: Proof Positive - YouTube

It's very long, but packed with great information.
And it should make you feel quite a bit better about your cardiovascular concerns.

 

[Berylanna]

Have you seen this study by a Greek cardiologist regarding vaping?
VPLive Vape Team Episode #25: Proof Positive - YouTube

It's very long, but packed with great information.
And it should make you feel quite a bit better about your cardiovascular concerns.

I'll look at it. I don't have any cardio concerns, only vascular, and I can easily believe THAT is much better with vaping. I'm actually a little more concerned with digestive issues (nicotine relaxes the muscle between the stomach and esophogus)

I was mostly saying that to my Dr. to let her know I was paying attention, and her response indicated she is too.

If I can find a 0 nic with good flavor for those evenings when I need to chain-vape (about once a week that hits) then I'll have the solution I need for the digestive issue. Normal vaping is not a problem for me, but chain-vaping is. If I chain-smoke, my hand automatically puts out the cigarette at some point, but vaping with its delayed reaction doesn't work that way. (On the other hand, I was wasting cigarettes that way, and the cost was probably contributing to indigestion

 

[cigarbabe]

well we all know they are really anti-nic cause if they were anti-tobbaco they would embrace vaping as a whole i am not talking about tickertape parades or anything cause no nic is better than nic but i still love my nic i am an addict and happy to be so i just wish people would leave me and my lifestyle alone...

I have problem with people and vapers in general calling themselves "addicts".
I detest the word when it comes to vaping and part of that comes from posting at a site where only cold turkey is deemed acceptable for quitting smoking.
I'm sure DC2 knows whom I'm referring to!
Being an "addict" means you usually are addicted to a licit/illicit substance that brings about many many changes and none of them for the good of the person involved. I cannot and will not call myself a "nicotine addict" as if I am engaging in behaviors that will cause harm to myself, harm to my family or others and I am certainly not causing physical harm to myself. Nor am I robbing anyone to get my fix of nicotine. I have not let my appearance go, I have not lost an extraordinary amount of weight because I'd rather have nicotine than food and I am not psychotic because of the nicotine I am using!
I like to think it is as much a ritual as it is anything.
You see where I'm headed?
I vape because I love it. Do I need nicotine?
Possibly.
That in and of itself does not make me a "nicotine addict" so please don't characterize me as such!
You are free to call yourselves that but not me.
Honestly it's way past time for the CDC , doctors, the ANTZ and CT advocates whom are allegedly concerned about "our health" to change how they apply terms like "nicotine addiction".
FYI?
It is not the same as being addicted to a narcotic substance, and which one doesn't matter they are not even close guys!
We use the same hand to mouth movements when eating but are we addicted to food?
I'll leave that for another forum lol!
C.B.