Proprietary chargers

[DSullivan]

Many companies say to only use their chargers with their batteries. When you have two pieces, the USB part and the wall charger part, which is the proprietary one? Are they both? So much seems interchangeable to me, but not being proficient in these things, I feel it safer to ask. Thank you.

 

[Kent C]

Many companies say to only use their chargers with their batteries. When you have two pieces, the USB part and the wall charger part, which is the proprietary one? Are they both? So much seems interchangeable to me, but not being proficient in these things, I feel it safer to ask. Thank you.

It's the output of the charger that is important for the batt. The wall wart part has to be enough to drive the charger.

 

[NicoHolic]

Cigalike batteries, either 510 or KR808, can be damaged by eGo chargers. Cigalike chargers, either 510 or KR808, can be damaged if loaded with an eGo battery. Most eGo batteries have a 510 connection, but many KR808 cigalike vendors also sell KR808 eGos to keep you buying their pre-filled KR808 cartos.

Just because a charger screws onto a battery, or vice versa, doesn't mean it's a safe combo.

The wall wart is typically just a USB power supply that you plug the charger into, instead of into a computer.

 

[JJOOHHNN]

Some are using reverse polarity so that is something to be aware of.

 

[DSullivan]

OK.....so I think what I am getting is that it is the USB part, and not the wall part I should be careful with. Thank you for the replies.

 

[fairweasel2323]

im using a Ego USB charger.. input DC 5v, Output DC 4.2v= 420mA, with a 700mA wall adapter is that good I have a 1000mA one too but im using the 700mA wall adapter. Which one be better the wall adapter with output of 700mA or the 1000mA? Or does it really matter?

I guess Kent answered it saying the output of the charger is whats important, cause both wall adapters work the charger I didnt know if the output of the wall adapter mattered like if the 1000mA be better then the 700mA? But sounds like im ok using either one?

 

[fourthrok]

im using a Ego USB charger.. input DC 5v, Output DC 4.2v= 420mA, with a 700mA wall adapter is that good I have a 1000mA one too but im using the 700mA wall adapter. Which one be better the wall adapter with output of 700mA or the 1000mA? Or does it really matter?

I guess Kent answered it saying the output of the charger is whats important, cause both wall adapters work the charger I didnt know if the output of the wall adapter mattered like if the 1000mA be better then the 700mA? But sounds like im ok using either one?

I'd like to know that too. I know to use my Smok USB charger with my Smok eGos, and the Joye USB chargers with the Joye eGo. I have a "no name" (Etonic) eGo that has it's own little USB plug thingy. And of course I have the kGo USB charger for the kGos. That part I can sort out as I've labeled everything so I can match up the USBs to the right eGos/PVs. BUT...I have two different types of wall worts. A couple are 1.5amp and a couple are called "passthrough ready" and are 2amp. Would it be a problem using the 2amp one for all the eGos despite the brand? I figure I better not push the kGos...but the others...how about them?

 

[fairweasel2323]

from my understanding u can charge a ego on any ego charger as long as its Input DC 5v and Ouput DC 4.2=420mA. And from what I take as long as the wall adapter can power the Ego charger..

 

[joemar4]

Anyone know the answer to this....Can an eGo c-twist 1100mah battery be charged using my Evod charger (4.2v 500 MA output)?

 

[Kent C]

These are the specs for most eGo chargers and wall chargers that come with kits that include both:

Wall charger is Input 100-240v and Output is 5.0v 500mA

This is the one that plugs into the wall. This is the power supply. The output voltage must match the input voltage of the usb charger. The output amperage also matches BUT you may have a wall charger that puts out more amperage than the one in the kit. You could have a 2 amp (2000mA) output and it would still work with the eGo usb charger.


USB charger is Input DC 5v 500mA/Output DC 4.2v 420mA

Again the voltage output of the wall charger must match the "Input voltage" of the usb charger and it does - 5volts. However, the input amperage of 500mA of the usb charger is a 'minimum amperage' ...so the output of the wall charger can be greater - the usb charger regulates that input amperage.

Now... for the output Volts and miliamps to the battery.

The standard eGo charger puts out 4.2V at 420mA. However we've seen some specs at 4.2V at 450mA and 4.2V at 500mA (some EVods).

It is always recommended to use the charger that comes with the battery. Since Joye batts have special short and charge protection, I always use Joye chargers for Joye batts but that's a personal choice. Any 4.2V 420mA charger will work.

The problem we've seen has been when the mA output of the charger is greater than that of the battery. 510 battery chargers are rated 100mA to 300mA because of what the battery can take. Put a 510 on an eGo charger that puts out 420mA and you'll fry it. However, using a 500mA output charger on an eGo type batt should be safe UNLESS, it is a mini eGo. Here there are differing views. Some would say only use a 510 charger on a 350 mini eGo not a regular eGo charger. But others have said to use the eGo charger on the minis. I go with the 450 mAh mini and use an eGo charger without a problem, but if I got a 350mAh mini, I'd likely use the 510 charger (as long as the voltage was the same).

Because you can fry a 510 (where the top output of it's charger can be 300mA) on a 420mA output of an eGo charger, you can figure how high you might go with output mA's on an eGo charger. I've never seen one above 500mA, but if there was one, I wouldn't use it without knowing a bit more about the charger.

Again.... the recommendation you'll see most often around here is to use the charger that matches the battery. If you don't, then you're on your own and will likely void any warranty you might have.

 

[fairweasel2323]

So I'm using a Wall charger with Input 100-240v Output 5v 700mA, with the USB charger that came with my White Rhino battery, Input 5v Output 4.2v 420mA. I'm using that USB charger for both batts the generic White Rhino and my EVOD I saw the Ego USB charger that Good E Juice carried that I ordered my EVOD Batt from was the same specs as USB charger that came with my White Rhino batt, Input 5v Output 4.2v 420mA should I be using a different charger for my EVOD??

Or do I need one thats 450mA or 500mA? I thought the 420mA was the universal charger specs for all Ego battery's...

 

[Kent C]

So I'm using a Wall charger with Input 100-240v Output 5v 700mA, with the USB charger that came with my White Rhino battery, Input 5v Output 4.2v 420mA. I'm using that USB charger for both batts the generic White Rhino and my EVOD I saw the Ego USB charger that Good E Juice carried that I ordered my EVOD Batt from was the same specs as USB charger that came with my White Rhino batt, Input 5v Output 4.2v 420mA should I be using a different charger for my EVOD??

Or do I need one thats 450mA or 500mA? I thought the 420mA was the universal charger specs for all Ego battery's...

The output 420mA charger will work with the eVod as well.

 

[fairweasel2323]

The output 420mA charger will work with the eVod as well.

Good I know so far it had been charging fine just wanted to make sure it wasnt hurting the battery, thanks again Kent, u really know ur stuff when it comes to e-Cigs!!

 

[skoony]

The problem we've seen has been when the mA output of the charger is greater than that of the battery. 510 battery chargers are rated 100mA to 300mA because of what the battery can take. Put a 510 on an eGo charger that puts out 420mA and you'll fry it. However, using a 500mA output charger on an eGo type batt should be safe UNLESS, it is a mini eGo. Here there are differing views. Some would say only use a 510 charger on a 350 mini eGo not a regular eGo charger. But others have said to use the eGo charger on the minis. I go with the 450 mAh mini and use an eGo charger without a problem, but if I got a 350mAh mini, I'd likely use the 510 charger (as long as the voltage was the same).

Because you can fry a 510 (where the top output of it's charger can be 300mA) on a 420mA output of an eGo charger, you can figure how high you might go with output mA's on an eGo charger. I've never seen one above 500mA, but if there was one, I wouldn't use it without knowing a bit more about the charger.

ok here we go.
the out put of any usb port is 5 volts whether its on your computer or wall charger.
now the amperage is the max recommended draw of current the circuit is designed for.
the amount of current drawn depends on the load.thats represented as the amount of resistance
of the circuit your plugging in has as the source(usb port) see's it.
so the source(usb port) has to have the capability to supply the current to the load (charger)
for it to run properly.
now we plug the battery into the charger.the chargers current out put depends on the load,(the internal resistance of the battery)and the voltage rating of the battery.
the larger the mah of the battery the lower internal resistance = more current flow.the lower mah of the battery means more
internal resistance= less current draw.
so batteries of the same voltage rating can be safely be charged on the same charger as long as the charger
can output enough current to properly charge the largest mah battery you have.
if the charger does'nt have the output current needed it will just charge the battery at a slower rate.
all chargers should as a matter of course be designed to out put there maximum current rating without
damaging themselves.
batteries of different voltages are a problem though you should be able to safely charge a battery
if its within 15 to 20% lower voltage than the charging voltage if watched closely.(i don't recommend this though)
of course if you throw a defective circiut into the mix,(usb port,charger,or battery) POOF!.
you just let the smoke out.

regards
mike