Propylene Glycol safety?

[KiloWatts]

Hi all,

I'm a bit concerned with the safety of PG. A simple Google search comes up with countless pages describing a multitude of irreversible health problems, including dermatitis, kidney damage, liver abnormalities, and a whole host of other issues. With all the touting of electronic cigarettes as being a safe alternative, we sure are inhaling a ton of this stuff on a daily basis. "Safe" according to the FDA, but utterly toxic according to the other side. Just today I was looking at a bottle of facial moisturizer proudly stating on the label "100% Propylene Glycol Free!"

Should we remove our rose-colored glasses for a moment and address this?

Vegetable Glycerin, on the other hand, appears to be safe all around the board. With all the great things going on for e-cigs in regards to it being a safe alternative to smoking, the uncertainty surrounding PG ought to be a no-brainer for the industry. In my opinion, a slightly "better vape" isn't worth the risk surrounding PG, especially for an industry already facing legal challenges.

What do you think?

 

[sea]

It's totally been addressed. Let me find the last thread I read on it...

Update: read VaporChef's response on page 4.

For myself I choose to use mainly 100% VG organic juices because I prefer to put as natural as possible things in my body when I have the choice.

I would check out the Health, Safety, and E-Smoking forum and figure out what you are comfortable with.

 

[melloyello]

whats the biggest difference to vaping 100%vg vs say....the usualy 80/20 or 70/30?
vaping something that "might" not be good for me is a lot better than analogs could ever be....however, if puffing 100% straight vg is completely harmless and gives the same sensation, i just might.

 

[wv2win]

................What do you think?

I think anyone who has only made 3 posts and the first thread they start is about the "danger" of vaping PG, smells like a troll.

And just so you know, there are studies going back to the 1940's that showed PG to be safe to inhale and consume. That's why it is in some medical inhalers, toothpaste, etc.

 

[UntamedRose]

I think you need to keep on googling. PG is the least concerning thing about vaping.
Now about 10% of the population will be allergic to PG, and that seems to be about right from what we see here with peoples reactions but for the rest of us folks. PG is a pretty safe bet. Been studied since the 1940's for human inhalation, is used extensively in the medical field. It's in Everything from inhalers to fog machines to toothpaste to sex lube.

 

[swedishfish]

Well what about VG, how safe is that?



kidding! There's probably more info on the safety of PG than VG when you think of it.

 

[cookiebun]

Isn't the "search" feature on this forum wonderful:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...g-propylene-glycol-toxicity-all-one-place.htm

I too, smell a trolll

 

[keyzygirl]

I trust PG more than VG.Theres more info on it.

 

[melloyello]

"Safe" according to the FDA, but utterly toxic according to the other side. Just today I was looking at a bottle of facial moisturizer proudly stating on the label "100% Propylene Glycol Free!"
all that means is: since there is no PG in it, it must mean its 100% vg. imagine the smoke it would create if you would nvm.

 

[KiloWatts]

I'm not trolling, I'm just concerned. I've fallen in love with vaping as of a week ago, and I don't think I've left this forum since. I posed this question to the community here, as I don't have the knowledge. Furthermore, I've looked into the FDA cases and I do care about the future of this industry, having already pretty much decided this is a hobby I'll be into for a long time.

I've tried a billion times to stop smoking analogs to no avail. My girlfriend's mother came down with lung cancer last year. The pressure of knowing I had an addiction while a member of the family was dying of the same effects was pretty hard to bear. Worse still, and utterly shameful, I couldn't stop smoking myself no matter how hard I tried. Thankfully she's had the treatment and surgery and is now 100% cancer free.

So after learning about the rich culture of e-cigs, I'm pretty darn stoked. But I also care about my body and my life, so naturally I'm questioning the safety of PG. Most of us stopped analogs because they were dangerous, filthy, and lethal. Making a step towards health is something we can be proud of - but why stop there? It seems like VG is the absolute safest option here.

Thanks for the links, I'll continue my research. I read VaporChef's response, and while she makes good points about the FDA approved ratio and clarified some specifics, I can't agree that conscious intake of any chemicals is okay just because we live in a "highly chemicalized world". I'm a person who doesn't believe we need to consume anything that doesn't immediately serve a purpose to our body. Still, props to VaporChef for finding the correct info.

I know this is a lot for a first time poster - I haven't joined a new forum in a long time, so maybe I've forgotten how to say hi. HI!

I just love vaping and also care about health, so I'm glad to have found this forum of people who certainly care about the specifics of e-smoking as much as I do.

 

[KiloWatts]

Yes, good points - ain't much research on VG. But really... palm and coconut oil consumption? I know some folks in the Caribbean islands that might be able to clear that up!

 

[cookiebun]

Many vendors carry 100% VG juice. Just use that if you are that worried.
I like 50/50 myself.

 

[base234]

Many vendors carry 100% VG juice. Just use that if you are that worried.

Whoomp! There it is.

 

[melloyello]

"I'm a person who doesn't believe we need to consume anything that doesn't immediately serve a purpose to our body."

was this before/during or after you smoked analogs?
while i agree that vaping probably isnt the healthiest thing a person can do, it is still lesser of the 2 evils and thats where my mind stops thinking.... probably due to the awesome pomegranate im vaping right now.

 

[KiloWatts]

Heh, well, yeah this Backwoods Brew espresso I'm smoking right now is pretty much easing my worries as well... After further research, it does seem that PG is relatively safe... Phew. Glad I got that one sorted.

 

[Eclipsed1770]

Hi Kilowatts and welcome to ECF. In my opinion even if PV is bad for you it's still not as bad as the analogs. I don't think anyone knows what's bad for or good for you, prime example is eggs. First they were good for you, then they were bad for you, now they are good for you. I think anything taken in excess is not good for you. Moderation is the key. Health wise, any one of us could be hit by a car tomorrow. To each their own.

 

[freeall]

The way I look at it, is, smoking cigarettes is 100x worse than e-cigs. So what if there's reports that PG or VG is bad for your health. Christ, half the foods we consume as humans are bad for your health. Staring at our computer screens is bad on our health. It's all relative.

There's also alot of upsides to vaping as apposed to smoking.

Smell, indoors, convenience, cost, etc. the list goes on.

 

[dee5]

Heh, well, yeah this Backwoods Brew espresso I'm smoking right now is pretty much easing my worries as well... After further research, it does seem that PG is relatively safe... Phew. Glad I got that one sorted.

Welcome to the forum KiloWatts. We accept your belated "Hi!" Many on the forum have the same concerns as you, they just don't usually voice health concerns in their first posts. When you did that it gives the appearance of someone who joined here just to stir up trouble, thus making you seem like a troll. Think of it like a nice, congenial pool party with a bunch of good friends and then a new kid comes barrelling in from out of nowhere and does a big cannonball into the water! He might get a few dirty looks but after the water settles down and explanations are made, all can be happy again.
Just one more thing- please try to get used to saying you are "vaping", not "smoking". You're not a smoker any more, and that's a good thing!

 

[hippiebrian]

I inhaled the waste gasses of burning vegitation on a regular basis for 35 years, not counting the various chemicals injested over the years (come on, man, I survived the 70's and probably 100 Dead shows). I don't think pg is going to kill me...lol.

 

[BlackPigeon]

Hello. Can anyone recommend a good vendor for VG juice?