Pros and cons of going to a higher mAh batt?

[Darryl Licht]

Fairly new to the game, but I'm a former RC car racing addict! Back then changing to higher mAh batts gave us increased run times during practice, and more power over the course of a race.

Wouldn't that also be the same with vaping? Longer run times before charging?

As long as I stuck with a quality flat top 18650 with protection circuit (needed per manufacturer) wouldn't I be OK?

Are there any negatives to going to a higher mAh batt?

Your input is appreciated!

 

[Ryedan]

For vaping you really don't want protected batteries. Those are mostly ICR batteries that need the protection and have very low maximum amp draw specs. The problem with them is if the protection board goes bad and you abuse the battery, the battery will vent and burn. Not good right next to your face.

You want IMR or hybrid Li-ion batteries which are considered safer chemistry. Here's a list of some batteries like that. They will very rarely burn or explode when they vent and they take a lot more amp discharge before they vent than ICR batts do. Because of this they are rarely protected.

As far as mAh goes, it depends. Higher mAh batteries will generally have higher internal resistance and therefore will have less run time per mAh at higher amp draw. At lower amp draw they will last longer. Higher mAh batts will also tend to have less maximum amp draw capability, also because of the higher internal resistance.

 

[Darryl Licht]

For vaping you really don't want protected batteries. Those are mostly ICR batteries that need the protection and have very low maximum amp draw specs. The problem with them is if the protection board goes bad and you abuse the battery, the battery will vent and burn. Not good right next to your face.

You want IMR or hybrid Li-ion batteries which are considered safer chemistry. Here's a list of some batteries like that. They will very rarely burn or explode when they vent and they take a lot more amp discharge before they vent than ICR batts do. Because of this they are rarely protected.

As far as mAh goes, it depends. Higher mAh batteries will generally have higher internal resistance and therefore will have less run time per mAh at higher amp draw. At lower amp draw they will last longer. Higher mAh batts will also tend to have less maximum amp draw capability, also because of the higher internal resistance.

My mods manufaturer, an ipv mini, suggests using only 18650s with protection, I wonder why?

I'll just stick with the 2500 mAh batts then, thanks

 

[Baditude]

My mods manufaturer, an ipv mini, suggests using only 18650s with protection, I wonder why?

I'll just stick with the 2500 mAh batts then, thanks

Interesting that the manufacturer suggests batteries with a protected circuit, yet this reseller offers only unprotected IMR batteries for use with this device.

The IPV is a "regulated" mod, which has its own built-in protective circuitry on board. Meaning it shouldn't require protected batteries at all. ICR, or protected batteries, are pretty much considered obsolete for vaping in this day and age, and IMR unprotected batteries are strongly recommended instead. Battery Basics for Mods: IMR vs protected ICR batteries?

I don't understand why the manufacturer of the IPV recommends using a protected battery; it goes against everything that I understand about lithium ion batteries. All protected ICR batteries have insufficient amp output for a high-wattage regulated device, which would negatively affect the overall performance of the device.

Being that the IPV is a high-wattage regulated mod, most of these types of manufacturers recommend a high drain, unprotected, IMR battery. These batteries have a higher amp output (10 - 30 amp continuous) than any protected ICR battery (only 3 - 4 amps continous). Why High Drain Batteries?

I strongly agree with Ryedan, above. I highly recommend using only unprotected, high-drain, IMR batteries in all vaping devices. In the case of using the IPV, an IMR or IMR hybrid battery with at least 12 amps continuous discharge rating (see list in the first link above) would be best served.

Me thinks that the manufacturer recommendation for protected batteries is wrong.

Higher mah generally means longer battery usage between charges. However, the most important priority should be the application of the device being used. A high-wattage regulated vaporizer requires a high drain, high amp IMR battery.

 

[Darryl Licht]

Interesting that the manufacturer suggests batteries with a protected circuit, yet this reseller offers only unprotected IMR batteries for use with this device.

The IPV is a "regulated" mod, which has its own built-in protective circuitry on board. Meaning it shouldn't require protected batteries at all. ICR, or protected batteries, are pretty much considered obsolete for vaping in this day and age, and IMR unprotected batteries are strongly recommended instead. Battery Basics for Mods: IMR vs protected ICR batteries?

I don't understand why the manufacturer of the IPV recommends using a protected battery; it goes against everything that I understand about lithium ion batteries. All protected ICR batteries have insufficient amp output for a high-wattage regulated device, which would negatively affect the overall performance of the device.

Being that the IPV is a high-wattage regulated mod, most of these types of manufacturers recommend a high drain, unprotected, IMR battery. These batteries have a higher amp output (10 - 30 amp continuous) than any protected ICR battery (only 3 - 4 amps continous). Why High Drain Batteries?

I strongly agree with Ryedan, above. I highly recommend using only unprotected, high-drain, IMR batteries in all vaping devices. In the case of using the IPV, an IMR or IMR hybrid battery with at least 12 amps continuous discharge rating (see list in the first link above) would be best served.

Me thinks that the manufacturer recommendation for protected batteries is wrong.

Higher mah generally means longer battery usage between charges. However, the most important priority should be the application of the device being used. A high-wattage regulated vaporizer requires a high drain, high amp IMR battery.

I took a look at pioneer 4 u site and I don't see any batt requirements listed so I must have read it on a resellers site... but I know I read it last night!

I'm currently running a MXJO IMR18650 2500mAh/ 35A batt from the B&M I purchased the mod from... what's a safe upgrade to this batt in your opinion? I'm looking to get a 2nd batt and charger, so I'd like to try a better batt this go around.

 

[Baditude]

I'm currently running a MXJO IMR18650 2500mAh/ 35A batt from the B&M I purchased the mod from... what's a safe upgrade to this batt in your opinion? I'm looking to get a 2nd batt and charger, so I'd like to try a better batt this go around.

That's a decent battery, although I question the validity of the 35 amp claim. You need at least 12 amps continuous amps for a high-wattage regulated mod; anything more is just gravy.

I happen to like the Samsung INR18650-25R 2500mAh 20amp; the LG LG18650HE2 2500mah 20 amp is another popular possibility.

 

[Darryl Licht]

That's a decent battery, although I question the validity of the 35 amp claim. You need at least 12 amps continuous amps for a high-wattage regulated mod; anything more is just gravy.

I happen to like the Samsung INR18650-25R 2500mAh 20amp; the LG LG18650HE2 2500mah 20 amp is another popular possibility.

Thanks! Any suggestions for a trusted online vendor?

 

[readeuler]

Thanks! Any suggestions for a trusted online vendor?

Susan has a good form response to trusted battery sellers, but off the top of my head:

RTDvapor, Illumination Supply, and Orbtronic (where I got my Samsung 25R's from, would recommend).

Also, nobody's mentioned this yet, but a lot of the mAh happen low in the discharge curve, below the voltages we vape at. So a battery rated for 4000 mAh, but only spends 800 of them above 3.5 volts, wouldn't last as long as a 2000 mAh battery if 1200 of them were above the APV cut-off.