Hello All,
This is my first post on this forum. About a week ago, I received my new provari with the extender cap and 2 18650 2000 mAh batterries sold by Provape. I eagerly put everything together and used a volcanocigs single coil 3.0 ohm cartomizer with a 6ml tank from TW. This worked great for about an hour, then I started receiving E1 errors after every vape. Prior to getting the Provari, I was using this same setup on the TW Torpedo (aka Lavatube) and always had the voltage at 6 volts. This worked without flaw for about a year. I do not have a voltage meter, but based on the vapor production, I would say that the Lavatube was not self regulating at all. I would test this by manually lowering the voltage to 3.8 and seeing the wimpy vapor production, then comparing that to 6 volts which always had great vapor production.
Based on the stats below, I do not see why the Provari would be showing E1 errors...
6 volts with a single coil 3.0 ohms cartomizer = 2 AMPS
Provari specified AMP limit = 3.5 AMPS
6 volts with a single coil 3.0 ohm cartomizer = 12 watts
Provari specified Watt limit = 14.5 Watts
I tried to use several different single coil 3.0 ohms cartomizers from TW, Healthcabin, and madvapes. All tests resulted in E1 errors. I also tried screwing the cartomizer on everywhere from very loose to very tight. Same E1 errors. I then contacted Provape by email and went through this explanation with them. I was told that as you use a cartomizer, it heats up and the resistance drops. This causes it to go over the AMP limits. My question to everyone is, is this actually true, and is there anyone out there that uses a Provario with a single coil 3.0 ohms cartomizer at 6 volts and does not get any errors?
Thanks All!
The response from Provape below...
Hi Brian,
But its not actually staying at 3ohms. As the cartomizer and atomizer heat up they rapidly drop resistance. So as you press the button the resistance is going to drop and it can drop from 3ohms down to 2.5 or less while its heating. The amount of resistance drop is also affected by the amount of fluid left. The fluid acts as a coolant for the heating coil, so the less fluid the faster the drop.
Note the data in that article: The maximum power output is best calculated by measuring the output current and voltage. It is difficult to base an output power measurement on an output load resistor unless the load resistor is a calibrated shunt. Most resistors change significantly with temperature. This is particularly true of atomizers!
The Lavatube works a little different. It will lower its voltage without you knowing as the resistance drops so you stay within their amperage limit, and this is how they handle their amperage limit. So you are not actually getting a steady 6 volts with the Lava. It will drop voltage and you wont be aware of it as there is no indication on that device that its lowering the voltage for you.
The ProVari is you get what you set, we dont go in and allow the unit to drop its voltage, but if it cannot push what you request, it displays a E1.
I would suggest lowering the voltage to allow the resistance to drop in your atomizer. This has nothing to do with the device not working properly.
Sorry I missed this one. This is how the pins are made, so its by design that it has some solder on the head pin.
If we exchange your device you are going to get the same results as what I am telling you as this is about the resistance drop and Ohms Law and we cannot change that its working by design.
There are many online studies comparing the Lava and the ProVari and the ProVari is much more powerful and will hold its power over the life of the battery whereas the Lava will rapidly drop as your batteries surface charge runs down, but both devices have a limit.
If you are not happy with the ProVari you can certainly return it for a refund.
Knowing how much testing each device goes through here and everything you have told me so far, I have not heard anything that sounds out of whack.
Kindly,
David
This is my first post on this forum. About a week ago, I received my new provari with the extender cap and 2 18650 2000 mAh batterries sold by Provape. I eagerly put everything together and used a volcanocigs single coil 3.0 ohm cartomizer with a 6ml tank from TW. This worked great for about an hour, then I started receiving E1 errors after every vape. Prior to getting the Provari, I was using this same setup on the TW Torpedo (aka Lavatube) and always had the voltage at 6 volts. This worked without flaw for about a year. I do not have a voltage meter, but based on the vapor production, I would say that the Lavatube was not self regulating at all. I would test this by manually lowering the voltage to 3.8 and seeing the wimpy vapor production, then comparing that to 6 volts which always had great vapor production.
Based on the stats below, I do not see why the Provari would be showing E1 errors...
6 volts with a single coil 3.0 ohms cartomizer = 2 AMPS
Provari specified AMP limit = 3.5 AMPS
6 volts with a single coil 3.0 ohm cartomizer = 12 watts
Provari specified Watt limit = 14.5 Watts
I tried to use several different single coil 3.0 ohms cartomizers from TW, Healthcabin, and madvapes. All tests resulted in E1 errors. I also tried screwing the cartomizer on everywhere from very loose to very tight. Same E1 errors. I then contacted Provape by email and went through this explanation with them. I was told that as you use a cartomizer, it heats up and the resistance drops. This causes it to go over the AMP limits. My question to everyone is, is this actually true, and is there anyone out there that uses a Provario with a single coil 3.0 ohms cartomizer at 6 volts and does not get any errors?
Thanks All!
The response from Provape below...
Hi Brian,
But its not actually staying at 3ohms. As the cartomizer and atomizer heat up they rapidly drop resistance. So as you press the button the resistance is going to drop and it can drop from 3ohms down to 2.5 or less while its heating. The amount of resistance drop is also affected by the amount of fluid left. The fluid acts as a coolant for the heating coil, so the less fluid the faster the drop.
Note the data in that article: The maximum power output is best calculated by measuring the output current and voltage. It is difficult to base an output power measurement on an output load resistor unless the load resistor is a calibrated shunt. Most resistors change significantly with temperature. This is particularly true of atomizers!
The Lavatube works a little different. It will lower its voltage without you knowing as the resistance drops so you stay within their amperage limit, and this is how they handle their amperage limit. So you are not actually getting a steady 6 volts with the Lava. It will drop voltage and you wont be aware of it as there is no indication on that device that its lowering the voltage for you.
The ProVari is you get what you set, we dont go in and allow the unit to drop its voltage, but if it cannot push what you request, it displays a E1.
I would suggest lowering the voltage to allow the resistance to drop in your atomizer. This has nothing to do with the device not working properly.
Sorry I missed this one. This is how the pins are made, so its by design that it has some solder on the head pin.
If we exchange your device you are going to get the same results as what I am telling you as this is about the resistance drop and Ohms Law and we cannot change that its working by design.
There are many online studies comparing the Lava and the ProVari and the ProVari is much more powerful and will hold its power over the life of the battery whereas the Lava will rapidly drop as your batteries surface charge runs down, but both devices have a limit.
If you are not happy with the ProVari you can certainly return it for a refund.
Knowing how much testing each device goes through here and everything you have told me so far, I have not heard anything that sounds out of whack.
Kindly,
David
