Pure VG ?

[Aaron1100us]

What is pure VG like? I'd like to switch to pure VG because PG is what engine coolant is made of and is toxic. I read that none of these liquids are bad but why would they make the stuff out of engine coolant? What are the facts about the safety of this stuff? Just trying to learn and figure out what is the best and safest to use. While vaping, I can taste something like engine coolant, 50/50 mix so far.

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[Caridwen]

I'm not sure where you got that information.

PG has been tested extensively and is used in all sorts of devices such as asthma inhalants. It's used in hospitals, foods, medicines, etc.

 

[wbbrn1952]

Primary agents[edit source]

Most antifreeze is made by mixing distilled water with some kind of alcohol.

Methanol[edit source]

Methanol (also known as methyl alcohol, carbinol, wood alcohol, wood naphtha or wood spirits) is a chemical compound with chemical formula CH3OH. It is the simplest alcohol, and is a light, volatile, colorless, flammable, poisonous liquid with a distinctive odor that is somewhat milder and sweeter than ethanol (ethyl alcohol). At room temperature, it is a polar solvent and is used as an antifreeze, solvent, fuel, and as a denaturant for ethyl alcohol. It is not popular for machinery, but may be found in automotive windshield washer fluid, de-icers, and gasoline additives.

Ethylene glycol[edit source]





Ethylene glycol
Ethylene glycol solutions became available in 1926 and were marketed as "permanent antifreeze" since the higher boiling points provided advantages for summertime use as well as during cold weather. They are used today for a variety of applications, including automobiles, but gradually being replaced by propylene glycol due to its lower toxicity.

From Wikipedia

no PG in Antifreeze.

 

[stillnotsmoking]

Not correct, modern antifreeze does utilize PG

Propylene glycol, on the other hand, is considerably less toxic than ethylene glycol and may be labeled as "non-toxic antifreeze". It is used as antifreeze where ethylene glycol would be inappropriate, such as in food-processing systems or in water pipes in homes where incidental ingestion may be possible. As confirmation of its relative non-toxicity, the FDA allows propylene glycol to be added to a large number of processed foods, including ice cream, frozen custard, and baked goods.

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[BlueMoods]

Oh dear, here we go again. NO PG is not the same as engine coolant. Yes it is used as ONE component of engine coolant but, it is not the toxic part.

PG is also in food, cosmetics and even medicines. Flavored Coffee, soft drinks, hand lotions, fast food, asthma inhalers and more all have the stuff in at least some brands.

 

[donwuan]

Lmao at the Op. That was just funny.

 

[Bob Chill]

There is so much info out there on PG it's not funny. Before I made the leap into vapeland I read about it extensively. In one afternoon it was crystal clear that there is zero acute toxicity to humans unless you are allergic to it. One study even said that even if you pour it in your eye it will only cause temporary irritation and your eye quickly recovers on its own. We've all ingested plenty of it.

The unknown part is prolonged exposure via vaping. So far not one single thing has been uncovered saying that it can cause permanent cellular damage or lead to chronic disease. And there are plenty of people out there who are motivated to find the vaping gun. Sorry for their loss.

The whole anit-freeze thing is such a pile of bunk and easily debunked with a simple google. And from sources like NIH no less.

 

[BlueMoods]

I don't even think there is a prolonged exposure problem. It has been used for decades in hospital air sanitizer systems - thus lots of patients and hospital employees have been inhaling it for a long time and, no one has ever reported ill effects from it. And how many of us use it in home air fresheners? Lots.

I vape several flavors 100% PG, some blended, just whatever tastes best for the flavor and, I'm not worried, I figure the nic is more of a health hazard than the PG.

 

[chaos-7]

Please get the facts, propylene glycol is NOT toxic! Period, end of story.

 

[Caridwen]

Thank you FDA for the scare tactics and misinformation.

 

[Caridwen]

Lmao at the Op. That was just funny.

Really, it's not the OP's fault. That's the information the FDA, ANTZ and groups financially motivated to ban cigarettes put out there.

 

[josie wales]

Still, there may be reasons to consider going with 100% VG. Anyone care to expand on those ideas?

 

[Caridwen]

People have different preferences. Some find high PG harsh. Less than 10% have an actual allergy although some may have negative reactions to either one.

I don't have an allergy, but I can't vape high VG. I get a very heavy feeling in my chest.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

What is pure VG like? I'd like to switch to pure VG because PG is what engine coolant is made of and is toxic. I read that none of these liquids are bad but why would they make the stuff out of engine coolant? What are the facts about the safety of this stuff? Just trying to learn and figure out what is the best and safest to use. While vaping, I can taste something like engine coolant, 50/50 mix so far.

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I want to know exactly where you received this most egregious bit of misinformation, so that the entire ECF community can issue forth and destroy what credibility they have left. Engine coolant my left... my left... grrr...

You have rubbed it on your skin, washed your hair with it, eaten it, drunk it and inhaled it in far greater quantities than you will ever be exposed to from an e-cigarette. The stuff has been in food, medicines, cosmetics and personal products for decades. Engine coolant... grrr...

 

[moxiot]

that explains why i don't sweat anymore since i started vaping. my engines are a-cooling!

 

[Boiler]

Prestone is my favorite flavor.

 

[wbbrn1952]

I was considering movng to 100% VG except for flavors of course - but I found that when I got to a 50/50 mix the e-liquid was so thick I had trouble getting the solution up an 18 ga needle. I also was not pleased with the flavoring - so I have backed down to 65/35 PG/VG and find that this mix works better for me.

 

[niczgreat]

I was considering movng to 100% VG except for flavors of course - but I found that when I got to a 50/50 mix the e-liquid was so thick I had trouble getting the solution up an 18 ga needle. I also was not pleased with the flavoring - so I have backed down to 65/35 PG/VG and find that this mix works better for me.

I vape with 100% VG I just either use extra flavor, PGA, or add filtered water to get it to the viscosity that I like.
I like the PG/VG mixes better but two years into vaping I developed an allergy to PG and artificial flavors.
Even a small amount of PG sets it off.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

Still, there may be reasons to consider going with 100% VG. Anyone care to expand on those ideas?

1. VG has a sweeter flavor, which helps to offset the bitterness sometimes found in rich tobacco or coffee flavors.

2.VG allows for higher concentrations of nicotine without delivering the same harsh throat hit that a PG solution would. This helps newbs get the nicotine effects they want without coughing their lungs out.

3. VG is more easily obtainable. You can buy 200ml of the stuff for like... $6 at Wally or CVS. PG is harder to find retail.

4. Some bottom atomizer systems have been plagued with leaking problems that some people don't want to solve by rebuilding a coil. A higher VG content alleviates a great deal of those problems (but at the cost of a shorter coil life).

5. Some of the most highly favored liquids come only in high VG solutions. See Boba's Bounty, Gorilla Juice, Red Oak Domestic and Red Oak Tennessee Cured.

 

[Bill Oso]

I recently made a maximum % VG liquid and found I am starting to prefer it over the higher percentage PG blends I have tried. Big plumes of vapor please me for some reason, am using carto tanks so wicking issues are obsolete, and I haven't noticed any problems with flavor deficiencies. Yes, it's thick, but 14 gauge needles take care of measuring hassles.